Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 27, 2021 21:14:13 GMT
I won't introduce the Schellenberg's argument, I have done it already in this thread, and there's no need to go into its details further; a couple of things must be said about it: a) there's rational non-believe; b) God has to support us with rational argument for His existence. (And because according to Schellenberg (b) is false, and (a) is true, therefore there's no god.)
I have to say that it's hard for me to agree with it. And for to be sure there's no need to go deeply through his premises, we can choose another way. Let's take Marxist's definition of the social consciousness: the social being determines the social consciousness. I think that's enough for us to have to be able to get closer to some that hiddenness reasons.
Where's that the social being located? And what is that? To understand it let's imagine that a person (or 'we are') has appeared on some isolated island completely alone. We've spend there enough of time to feel our loneliness and no-human around situation. But even in such conditions none of us would stop being a social person! It sounds weird, but our socialization cannot be lost even loosing the humanity. In other words, one last man standing alone is a person who is still a social person. That social component is what represents the social being in us. And this component allows us to communicate with the other human kind specie representative ones.
And here's an interesting question arises: what about freedom? Do we free from that the social being? Can we release from it? Jan Jacque Rousseau told that we couldn't: "A man is born free, but he is everywhere in chains". We cannot release from it except for being souls before God. Our human nature is deep down in that social matter, and the long we're human, the long we're social beings.
But that social being isn't so bad as we can thing at first (certainly, if we thought so). It allows us to think. It allows us to understand ourselves as representatives of the human kind. No communication with a human being won't push any important mechanisms in a human head for a person to start thinking as a representative one of the human kind.
So, the presence of God reveals in some similar way. God is with us, but He gives us the will not to showing in front of us like any other matter. God could appear in front of us, because being almighty He could do it. But there's no need to do it for Him as well as a good society is trying to hold each of its member separately from each other according to not-necessary-uttered principle of freedom. I guess that it's been released perfectly in US's documents and the declaration (many years ago).
And this principle of hiddenness can be explained accordingly to D. Bradshaw's interpretation of the Holy Fathers' explanation of how a person can some good things (with which forces?), and how our freedom is being released. So, God has gifted us with everything useful for our salvation, and He doesn't appear in front of us just for rational reasoning, because by this action of hiddenness He gifts us with freedom - the key way to any liberal action of a person to make any correct choice during his life.
I have to say that it's hard for me to agree with it. And for to be sure there's no need to go deeply through his premises, we can choose another way. Let's take Marxist's definition of the social consciousness: the social being determines the social consciousness. I think that's enough for us to have to be able to get closer to some that hiddenness reasons.
Where's that the social being located? And what is that? To understand it let's imagine that a person (or 'we are') has appeared on some isolated island completely alone. We've spend there enough of time to feel our loneliness and no-human around situation. But even in such conditions none of us would stop being a social person! It sounds weird, but our socialization cannot be lost even loosing the humanity. In other words, one last man standing alone is a person who is still a social person. That social component is what represents the social being in us. And this component allows us to communicate with the other human kind specie representative ones.
And here's an interesting question arises: what about freedom? Do we free from that the social being? Can we release from it? Jan Jacque Rousseau told that we couldn't: "A man is born free, but he is everywhere in chains". We cannot release from it except for being souls before God. Our human nature is deep down in that social matter, and the long we're human, the long we're social beings.
But that social being isn't so bad as we can thing at first (certainly, if we thought so). It allows us to think. It allows us to understand ourselves as representatives of the human kind. No communication with a human being won't push any important mechanisms in a human head for a person to start thinking as a representative one of the human kind.
So, the presence of God reveals in some similar way. God is with us, but He gives us the will not to showing in front of us like any other matter. God could appear in front of us, because being almighty He could do it. But there's no need to do it for Him as well as a good society is trying to hold each of its member separately from each other according to not-necessary-uttered principle of freedom. I guess that it's been released perfectly in US's documents and the declaration (many years ago).
And this principle of hiddenness can be explained accordingly to D. Bradshaw's interpretation of the Holy Fathers' explanation of how a person can some good things (with which forces?), and how our freedom is being released. So, God has gifted us with everything useful for our salvation, and He doesn't appear in front of us just for rational reasoning, because by this action of hiddenness He gifts us with freedom - the key way to any liberal action of a person to make any correct choice during his life.
