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Post by greatestiam on Dec 7, 2020 19:33:55 GMT
Was the condemnation of man justified?
If not justified, Jesus was not required to ask us to do evil by accepting human sacrifice.
I do not recall any of my many sins ever being bad enough to earn condemnation.
Every sin I, and likely you, ever made, has been forgiven.
For god to condemn me, and most of you, would be unjust.
I am innocent. Are you?
Regards
DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 7, 2020 19:47:02 GMT
Depends on what "god" you speak of. But in any case if you don't say sorry or whatever, how can one forgive another? And if one wants forgiveness then they must ask for it. Some people don't want forgiveness either. With my God, I'm forgiven though since I took time to retore any relationship needed. Nice topic by the way.
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Post by lorac on Dec 7, 2020 20:03:18 GMT
A frequent question is “what happens if I sin, and then I die before I have an opportunity to confess that sin to God?” Another common question is “what happens if I commit a sin, but then forget about it and never remember to confess it to God?” Both of these questions rest on a faulty assumption. Salvation is not a matter of believers trying to confess and repent from every sin they commit before they die. Salvation is not based on whether a Christian has confessed and repented of every sin. Yes, we should confess our sins to God as soon as we are aware that we have sinned. However, we do not always need to be asking God for forgiveness. When we place our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, all of our sins are forgiven. That includes past, present, and future, big or small. Believers do not have to keep asking for forgiveness or repenting in order to have their sins forgiven. Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins, and when they are forgiven, they are all forgiven (Colossians 1:14; Acts 10:43).
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Post by joustos on Dec 7, 2020 21:22:40 GMT
A frequent question is “what happens if I sin, and then I die before I have an opportunity to confess that sin to God?” Another common question is “what happens if I commit a sin, but then forget about it and never remember to confess it to God?” Both of these questions rest on a faulty assumption. Salvation is not a matter of believers trying to confess and repent from every sin they commit before they die. Salvation is not based on whether a Christian has confessed and repented of every sin. Yes, we should confess our sins to God as soon as we are awa that for a sin, or for a crime, re that we have sinned. However, we do not always need t Jeuso be asking God for forgiveness. When we place our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, all of our sins are forgiven. That includes past, present, and future, big or small. Believers do not have to keep asking for forgiveness or repenting in order to have their sins forgiven. Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins, and when they are forgiven, they are all forgiven (Colossians 1:14; Acts 10:43). Well said...up to a point, for then you relapse into two common myths: (1)that for a sin, or for a crime, a penalty has to be paid, and 2) that Jesus paid the penalty [atoned ] for our sins. // Concerning the latter issue, I have shown in other posts that Jesus has not redeemed anybody; concerning the former issue, and in respect to crime,I have not arrived at a complete solution,, anyway, forgiveness has no place in the process of justice (of what is right to do).
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Post by greatestiam on Dec 9, 2020 21:54:54 GMT
Depends on what "god" you speak of. But in any case if you don't say sorry or whatever, how can one forgive another? And if one wants forgiveness then they must ask for it. Some people don't want forgiveness either. With my God, I'm forgiven though since I took time to retore any relationship needed. Nice topic by the way. Wow. You have maintained the pain, resentment, etc. --- of being sinned against, without ever forgiving for your own benefit. Into S & M are you? I have forgiven all infractions for my own best mental health. Harboring grudges and resentments is not healthy. Toi your last. You cannot restore what never was. Regards DL |
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 9, 2020 22:00:07 GMT
Depends on what "god" you speak of. But in any case if you don't say sorry or whatever, how can one forgive another? And if one wants forgiveness then they must ask for it. Some people don't want forgiveness either. With my God, I'm forgiven though since I took time to retore any relationship needed. Nice topic by the way. Wow. You have maintained the pain, resentment, etc. --- of being sinned against, without ever forgiving for your own benefit. Into S & M are you? I have forgiven all infractions for my own best mental health. Harboring grudges and resentments is not healthy. Toi your last. You cannot restore what never was. Regards DL Uhh it's not my fault some people choose not to forgive silly. I absolutely am against that but it's their chose. My God tells me to forgive to be forgiven anyway. And science shows that those who forgive and don't hold grudges live healthier lives. Unless you feel like doing a class with those who don't forgive...which might be difficult. Also what is S&M? |
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Post by greatestiam on Dec 9, 2020 22:01:05 GMT
A frequent question is “what happens if I sin, and then I die before I have an opportunity to confess that sin to God?” Another common question is “what happens if I commit a sin, but then forget about it and never remember to confess it to God?” Both of these questions rest on a faulty assumption. Salvation is not a matter of believers trying to confess and repent from every sin they commit before they die. Salvation is not based on whether a Christian has confessed and repented of every sin. Yes, we should confess our sins to God as soon as we are aware that we have sinned. However, we do not always need to be asking God for forgiveness. When we place our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, all of our sins are forgiven. That includes past, present, and future, big or small. Believers do not have to keep asking for forgiveness or repenting in order to have their sins forgiven. Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins, and when they are forgiven, they are all forgiven (Colossians 1:14; Acts 10:43). You did not indicate what sin got you condemned in the first place. Please do so if you want credibility. As to Jesus. What makes you think he would forgive those who would abdicate their own responsibilities for their own sins, when Jesus says they are ours? You must think him to be quite immoral. ------- On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way. It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place. Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card. It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral. Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin. Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that. Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk. Regards DL |
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Post by greatestiam on Dec 9, 2020 22:03:57 GMT
Wow. You have maintained the pain, resentment, etc. --- of being sinned against, without ever forgiving for your own benefit. Into S & M are you? I have forgiven all infractions for my own best mental health. Harboring grudges and resentments is not healthy. Toi your last. You cannot restore what never was. Regards DL Uhh it's not my fault some people choose not to forgive silly. I absolutely am against that but it's their chose. My God tells me to forgive to be forgiven anyway. And science shows that those who forgive and don't hold grudges live healthier lives. Unless you feel like doing a class with those who don't forgive...which might be difficult. Also what is S&M? We are not on the same page, given that you put conditions to your forgiving above and now seem to have removed those conditions. And you call me silly. Regards DL |
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 9, 2020 23:09:31 GMT
Uhh it's not my fault some people choose not to forgive silly. I absolutely am against that but it's their chose. My God tells me to forgive to be forgiven anyway. And science shows that those who forgive and don't hold grudges live healthier lives. Unless you feel like doing a class with those who don't forgive...which might be difficult. Also what is S&M? We are not on the same page, given that you put conditions to your forgiving above and now seem to have removed those conditions. And you call me silly. Regards DL What conditions? I seemed to have missed the list of conditions or maybe it is another topic. |
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Post by lorac on Dec 10, 2020 19:15:53 GMT
A frequent question is “what happens if I sin, and then I die before I have an opportunity to confess that sin to God?” Another common question is “what happens if I commit a sin, but then forget about it and never remember to confess it to God?” Both of these questions rest on a faulty assumption. Salvation is not a matter of believers trying to confess and repent from every sin they commit before they die. Salvation is not based on whether a Christian has confessed and repented of every sin. Yes, we should confess our sins to God as soon as we are aware that we have sinned. However, we do not always need to be asking God for forgiveness. When we place our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, all of our sins are forgiven. That includes past, present, and future, big or small. Believers do not have to keep asking for forgiveness or repenting in order to have their sins forgiven. Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins, and when they are forgiven, they are all forgiven (Colossians 1:14; Acts 10:43). You did not indicate what sin got you condemned in the first place. Please do so if you want credibility. As to Jesus. What makes you think he would forgive those who would abdicate their own responsibilities for their own sins, when Jesus says they are ours? You must think him to be quite immoral. ------- On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way. It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place. Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card. It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral. Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin. Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that. Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk. Regards DL Take note, I am not obliged to give you anything to have my credibility known. I am happy enough in my own belief’s that is all I need; I wish not to convert/debate/ argue with you nor defend myself against you. As that will be a waste of my precious time left. |
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Post by greatestiam on Dec 16, 2020 18:54:43 GMT
lorac
IOW, you care not of the immoral actions you do when by ridding your scapegoat Jesus.
Satan is pleased by your stance.
Regards
DL
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