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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 7, 2020 18:17:50 GMT
1. There is no thing in itself.
2. This is a principle thus a thing.
3. A contradiction occurs thus necessitating "no thing in itself" as non existent as it is empty.
4. "There is no thing in itself" however exists as a principle thus no thing in itself simultaneously exists.
5. There is both "no thing in itself" and "a thing in itself".
6. Reality is thus empty forms conducive to a loop within a loop where the loop is empty and thus contains further loops or empty forms within empty forms.
6. The form within the form necessitates empty forms as a perpetual middle thus an underlying substance occurs, reality thus has an essense as a thing in itself. Top
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Post by MAYA-EL on Dec 14, 2020 22:51:34 GMT
Can you explain exactly what you mean by reflection ? The mirroring of a phenomenon and inverting it into another phenomenon. So then what you observed is the mirroring effect or as I like to call it the echo effect of one object being seen in another through its differentiation. I still don't see where you observe this nothing that you keep pointing to because from what I can tell as it's merely just a conceptual idea in your head and not a fundamental reality because it cannot be observed by you or me or anybody else because as stated beforehand we observe "things" because that's . what we are made to do we cannot observe "not-things" and therefore we don't even know if "not-things" exist
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 14, 2020 23:16:11 GMT
The mirroring of a phenomenon and inverting it into another phenomenon. So then what you observed is the mirroring effect or as I like to call it the echo effect of one object being seen in another through its differentiation. I still don't see where you observe this nothing that you keep pointing to because from what I can tell as it's merely just a conceptual idea in your head and not a fundamental reality because it cannot be observed by you or me or anybody else because as stated beforehand we observe "things" because that's . what we are made to do we cannot observe "not-things" and therefore we don't even know if "not-things" exist We observe the change from one phenomenon into another thus the intrinsic emptiness of the phenomenon in itself. We observe the change of the bird into a lesser form, dirt, thus the emptiness of the bird itself. The bird ceases to mirror itself across time and space.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 15, 2020 1:28:12 GMT
1. There is no thing in itself. 2. This is a principle thus a thing. 3. A contradiction occurs thus necessitating "no thing in itself" as non existent as it is empty. 4. "There is no thing in itself" however exists as a principle thus no thing in itself simultaneously exists. 5. There is both "no thing in itself" and "a thing in itself". 6. Reality is thus empty forms conducive to a loop within a loop where the loop is empty and thus contains further loops or empty forms within empty forms. 6. The form within the form necessitates empty forms as a perpetual middle thus an underlying substance occurs, reality thus has an essense as a thing in itself. Top There is at least one "thing in itself", namely he who says that,... or any person. A person is, in the first place, what makes the concept of "the in-itself" possible. Similarly, Hume was right in saying that Cause is not an empirical concept.But I add: We have the concept of Cause inasmuch as we,persons,are causes -- agents of effects in the world. But beware! We do not recognize an effect as such. Simlarly, there is no marker in the world that says that it is an effect of some god or person. Consequently we cannot infer from the world that it has or had a cause.// We commonly say that a crime detective discovered a criminal by analyzing CLUES. Actually his skill lies in "manufacturing" clues out of environments and circumstances, for there are no things or events that present themselves as clues. For the same reason, I have only circumstantial evidence -- albeit very cogent -- that there are other persons in the world. The person who makes such a statement is manifesting further phenomena beyond him/her, as statements, where the observer cannot exist without the phenomena proceeding from him/her or proceeding to from him/her. Cause is an empirical concept as it is observed through the change of one phenomenon into another. Cause and effect are the same thing, matter, expressing itself under newer and newer variations.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Dec 16, 2020 3:13:08 GMT
So then what you observed is the mirroring effect or as I like to call it the echo effect of one object being seen in another through its differentiation. I still don't see where you observe this nothing that you keep pointing to because from what I can tell as it's merely just a conceptual idea in your head and not a fundamental reality because it cannot be observed by you or me or anybody else because as stated beforehand we observe "things" because that's . what we are made to do we cannot observe "not-things" and therefore we don't even know if "not-things" exist We observe the change from one phenomenon into another thus the intrinsic emptiness of the phenomenon in itself. We observe the change of the bird into a lesser form, dirt, thus the emptiness of the bird itself. The bird ceases to mirror itself across time and space. You are explaining change and still have yet to explain why you hold to this concept of nothingness
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Post by joustos on Dec 16, 2020 15:47:15 GMT
There is at least one "thing in itself", namely he who says that,... or any person. A person is, in the first place, what makes the concept of "the in-itself" possible. Similarly, Hume was right in saying that Cause is not an empirical concept.But I add: We have the concept of Cause inasmuch as we,persons,are causes -- agents of effects in the world. But beware! We do not recognize an effect as such. Simlarly, there is no marker in the world that says that it is an effect of some god or person. Consequently we cannot infer from the world that it has or had a cause.// We commonly say that a crime detective discovered a criminal by analyzing CLUES. Actually his skill lies in "manufacturing" clues out of environments and circumstances, for there are no things or events that present themselves as clues. For the same reason, I have only circumstantial evidence -- albeit very cogent -- that there are other persons in the world. The person who makes such a statement is manifesting further phenomena beyond him/her, as statements, where the observer cannot exist without the phenomena proceeding from him/her or proceeding to from him/her. Cause is an empirical concept as it is observed through the change of one phenomenon into another. Cause and effect are the same thing, matter, expressing itself under newer and newer variations. We observe changes inasmuch as we remember a previous condition Leaves are turning from green to yellow or red, but there is nothing for us to say that the green leaves are the causes of the changes.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 16, 2020 16:46:22 GMT
The person who makes such a statement is manifesting further phenomena beyond him/her, as statements, where the observer cannot exist without the phenomena proceeding from him/her or proceeding to from him/her. Cause is an empirical concept as it is observed through the change of one phenomenon into another. Cause and effect are the same thing, matter, expressing itself under newer and newer variations. We observe changes inasmuch as we remember a previous condition Leaves are turning from green to yellow or red, but there is nothing for us to say that the green leaves are the causes of the changes. The cause is that which is previous to the effect. The cause of the latter color of the leaves, green, is that which occurs through a fractal nature of the effect. The yellow is a fractal of the green. Cause and effect are fractals, one thing expressing itself in a variety of ways.
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