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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 7, 2020 18:17:50 GMT
1. There is no thing in itself.
2. This is a principle thus a thing.
3. A contradiction occurs thus necessitating "no thing in itself" as non existent as it is empty.
4. "There is no thing in itself" however exists as a principle thus no thing in itself simultaneously exists.
5. There is both "no thing in itself" and "a thing in itself".
6. Reality is thus empty forms conducive to a loop within a loop where the loop is empty and thus contains further loops or empty forms within empty forms.
6. The form within the form necessitates empty forms as a perpetual middle thus an underlying substance occurs, reality thus has an essense as a thing in itself.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Dec 7, 2020 21:15:11 GMT
You didn't have to start a new topic just to say all that you know that right?.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 7, 2020 22:40:06 GMT
You didn't have to start a new topic just to say all that you know that right?. It is a new subject which branches from the old. |
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Post by lorac on Dec 8, 2020 19:49:26 GMT
Maya-el, I am sure 9x having over 1,400 posts being an Elder and Prestige/VIP would know when to post as a new topic or continuation. I on the other hand as a newbie haven't got the foggiest when to post a new thread or where to put one (but I am learning) but I know 9x and other 'elders' would help me out and with kindness of words. Moribus Facit Hominem  |
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Post by joustos on Dec 8, 2020 21:46:04 GMT
1. There is no thing in itself. 2. This is a principle thus a thing. 3. A contradiction occurs thus necessitating "no thing in itself" as non existent as it is empty. 4. "There is no thing in itself" however exists as a principle thus no thing in itself simultaneously exists. 5. There is both "no thing in itself" and "a thing in itself". 6. Reality is thus empty forms conducive to a loop within a loop where the loop is empty and thus contains further loops or empty forms within empty forms. 6. The form within the form necessitates empty forms as a perpetual middle thus an underlying substance occurs, reality thus has an essense as a thing in itself. Top There is at least one "thing in itself", namely he who says that,... or any person. A person is, in the first place, what makes the concept of "the in-itself" possible. Similarly, Hume was right in saying that Cause is not an empirical concept.But I add: We have the concept of Cause inasmuch as we,persons,are causes -- agents of effects in the world. But beware! We do not recognize an effect as such. Simlarly, there is no marker in the world that says that it is an effect of some god or person. Consequently we cannot infer from the world that it has or had a cause.// We commonly say that a crime detective discovered a criminal by analyzing CLUES. Actually his skill lies in "manufacturing" clues out of environments and circumstances, for there are no things or events that present themselves as clues. For the same reason, I have only circumstantial evidence -- albeit very cogent -- that there are other persons in the world. |
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Post by joustos on Dec 8, 2020 23:59:44 GMT
Maya-el, I am sure 9x having over 1,400 posts being an Elder and Prestige/VIP would know when to post as a new topic or continuation. I on the other hand as a newbie haven't got the foggiest when to post a new thread or where to put one (but I am learning) but I know 9x and other 'elders' would help me out and with kindness of words. Moribus Facit Hominem Lorac, I was intrigued by your use of a Latin phrase. I searched for it and found a wrong translation, namely, 'Manners make the man' since the phrase does not have a subject. Do you know its source? I suspect it was taken out of a context, like "...makes Man out of manners/customs". ( To say "customs make man", I would say, "Mores faciunt hominem" or 'de moribus homo factus' . No matter. What were you trying to say?) |
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Post by MAYA-EL on Dec 9, 2020 3:49:13 GMT
Maya-el, I am sure 9x having over 1,400 posts being an Elder and Prestige/VIP would know when to post as a new topic or continuation. I on the other hand as a newbie haven't got the foggiest when to post a new thread or where to put one (but I am learning) but I know 9x and other 'elders' would help me out and with kindness of words. Moribus Facit Hominem Im sure that you didn't take what i said at face value. And so with good intentions we help the fire by trying to put it out with sticks . malum discordiae |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 9, 2020 4:01:20 GMT
1. There is no thing in itself. 2. This is a principle thus a thing. 3. A contradiction occurs thus necessitating "no thing in itself" as non existent as it is empty. 4. "There is no thing in itself" however exists as a principle thus no thing in itself simultaneously exists. 5. There is both "no thing in itself" and "a thing in itself". 6. Reality is thus empty forms conducive to a loop within a loop where the loop is empty and thus contains further loops or empty forms within empty forms. 6. The form within the form necessitates empty forms as a perpetual middle thus an underlying substance occurs, reality thus has an essense as a thing in itself. Top There is at least one "thing in itself", namely he who says that,... or any person. A person is, in the first place, what makes the concept of "the in-itself" possible. Similarly, Hume was right in saying that Cause is not an empirical concept.But I add: We have the concept of Cause inasmuch as we,persons,are causes -- agents of effects in the world. But beware! We do not recognize an effect as such. Simlarly, there is no marker in the world that says that it is an effect of some god or person. Consequently we cannot infer from the world that it has or had a cause.// We commonly say that a crime detective discovered a criminal by analyzing CLUES. Actually his skill lies in "manufacturing" clues out of environments and circumstances, for there are no things or events that present themselves as clues. For the same reason, I have only circumstantial evidence -- albeit very cogent -- that there are other persons in the world. 1. There is "no thing in itself". 2. This as a universal principle is a "thing in itself". 3. There is no "no thing in itself". 4. This is defined through other phenomenon thus is "no thing in itself". 5. The loop between "no thing in itself" and "no no thing in itself" necessitates both exist. 6. Thus Being is empty forms but the containing of these forms through other forms necessitates being as full of empty forms like a circle containing a circle. 7. Being is simultaneously empty and full. ________________ 1. If cause is faulty because it is only a concept then empiricism is faulty as well given it is a concept. |
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Post by MAYA-EL on Dec 9, 2020 9:20:43 GMT
>>>1. There is "no thing in itself".<<<
Agreed.
>>>2. This as a universal principle is a "thing in itself".<<<
Agreed.
>>>3. There is no "no thing in itself".<<<
Agreed.
>>>4. This is defined through other phenomenon thus is "no thing in itself".<<<
Ahhh, what?.
>>>5. The loop between "no thing in itself" and "no no thing in itself" necessitates both exist.<<<
As mental concepts yes.
>>>6. Thus Being is empty forms but the containing of these forms through other forms necessitates being as full of empty forms like a circle containing a circle.<<<
What? Ummm no? A circle is to simple to use as a metaphorical example for all of reality
I'm still trying to figure out where you're pulling this magic rabbit of correlation out of because I'm just not seeing how you come to the conclusion that you do?.
>>>7. Being is simultaneously empty and full.<<<
Depends on what you mean by that. My stomach is empty and i need to go fill it but I am made of material substance which is something and not no-thing.
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Post by lorac on Dec 9, 2020 13:42:17 GMT
When I wrote this saying, I meant it to mean “Politeness and Etiquette are what prevents us from falling into savagery” to me “Politeness” meaning both written and verbal. How we are educated by our parents, life and school defines how we use language etc. thus I cannot give you links every time I use a certain phrase or custom. Though, the nearest I can give you is the sense of what I meant so follow the link. Malum Discordiae translated means “bad discord/object which shows dissention and anger” I show no anger/intent to cause discord on my part with the use of ‘Manners maketh Man’ Face value???...of course I took it at face value. www.bookbrowse.com/expressions/detail/index.cfm/expression_number/566/manners-make-the-man-manners-maketh-man |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 9, 2020 18:26:23 GMT
>>>1. There is "no thing in itself".<<< Agreed. >>>2. This as a universal principle is a "thing in itself".<<< Agreed. >>>3. There is no "no thing in itself".<<< Agreed. >>>4. This is defined through other phenomenon thus is "no thing in itself".<<< Ahhh, what?. >>>5. The loop between "no thing in itself" and "no no thing in itself" necessitates both exist.<<< As mental concepts yes. >>>6. Thus Being is empty forms but the containing of these forms through other forms necessitates being as full of empty forms like a circle containing a circle.<<< What? Ummm no? A circle is to simple to use as a metaphorical example for all of reality I'm still trying to figure out where you're pulling this magic rabbit of correlation out of because I'm just not seeing how you come to the conclusion that you do?. >>>7. Being is simultaneously empty and full.<<< Depends on what you mean by that. My stomach is empty and i need to go fill it but I am made of material substance which is something and not no-thing. 4. There bird can only be observed through another phenomenon such as a tree or house. 5. All of reality is reducible to mental concepts yet are not limited to mental concepts. 6. One form in itself is empty, this empty form contains other forms which are empty.... like a circle within a circle. A form as nothing in itself necessitates the form as empty on it's own terms. It exists through other forms, but these forms as dependent upon further forms are empty forms to. Each form as empty exists through another form which is empty, yet the continuum of forms necessitates forms as existing. Reality is thus empty forms within empty forms much like an empty circle contains an empty circle yet all circles as empty necessitate the circle as containing both emptiness and other circles as forms. An empty form within an empty form reflects being as both empty of forms and full of forms at the same time. 7. The stomach cannot exist without the other organs thus in itself is empty of it independent existence. See response to point 6. |
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Post by MAYA-EL on Dec 10, 2020 6:32:29 GMT
And how exactly did you observe this in order to come to the conclusion that you have?
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 11, 2020 16:50:19 GMT
And how exactly did you observe this in order to come to the conclusion that you have? Reflection |
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Post by MAYA-EL on Dec 11, 2020 19:52:35 GMT
And how exactly did you observe this in order to come to the conclusion that you have? Reflection Can you explain exactly what you mean by reflection ? |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 14, 2020 3:59:07 GMT
Can you explain exactly what you mean by reflection ? The mirroring of a phenomenon and inverting it into another phenomenon. |
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