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Nov 11, 2020 5:38:22 GMT
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Post by hall on Nov 11, 2020 5:38:22 GMT
Can I choose a fate can someone choose to lie and exercise freewill (chance) and change my fate & if I believe this as logical can I attempt to take that fate back . Can I exert my freewill to change that fate without freewill my chance or lie. Now if I reason fate cannot be changed with action or chance that would be a falsehood under nature's laws I know a test with set parameter will yield the results a fate so I can choose to take an action or I can lie. Perhaps I will even do both but if I believe in Freedom as an ultimate fate and not an action then I must assume freewill takes no part and yet I am scorned by the lie and my fate not that which reason dictates by nature's law and therefore nature's law appears to allow the lie . But can we use a known lie to dictate fate alone can we set a test that allows this freewill to be proven as fate can? Therefore I begin to challenge fate with freedom or action but certianly not freewill.Is freewill failure then I failed the test but I chose to try so then if you choose to try is that change fate it doesn't appear to work as a testable theory now can you use a fate to change a fate is more of an argument to be had using a explosion as an example you could argue under certian parameters you created a bomb and blew something up changing its fate but if that was your goal all along and the ultimate tests fated as you've changed nothing all the reactions occur naturally and the only unatural in science is the unknown or a known lie and the only real test for freewill so are some people unknowly practicing being lairs? Freewill isn't to carve of stone as one might carve a path in life. Taking steel to stone both are natural both fate and truths established by nature's laws.The path itself natural, freewill is your pride saying this is yours to claim as your work and not gods will,natures truth.~Fate and the Main principles of Science~ Before I get into the works of others I'd like to have my own testable theory I will be putting forward a few basic principle's.1 That science must be a testable series of specific actions , that those actions can be repeated to
Reach a specific outcome, within the parameter's of the test. 2 That all Science is infact a product of nature and nature's law 3 That there is a sovereign power that controls these forces 4 Can these forces and outcomes be used to predict a Fate,5 Is fate a testable scientific theory
Now I doubt many would argue with my first principle so I will be starting with the second, first I will compare what is natural and unnatural with nature then we will consider the law . To be made of nature not made by man so we have our first argument and we must test this
While it certianly cannot be argued we are not controlling the conditions is it unnatural and we must calculate infinite numbers to see that nothing is impossible, is that a testable theory or is that bad science is that unnatural by nature
There's no parameter's there so we cannot Predict anything it's simply not science it's un natural thus my first argument for science's natural laws .
We must have parameter's that are predictable and for nature to exist there must be parameter's , just like for science to exist there must be parameter's therefore the unnatural cannot exist in science. I would put forward the following test , man makes plastic bottles using specific parameter's plastic is manmade its unnatural now we have basic parameter's plastic being the unnatural product clearly in those basic parameter's but all the actions occur naturally what is
the unnatural nature of this the combination of knowledge derived from nature? we've simply changed the parameter's to an untestable theory can plastic occur in nature of course it can we've simply changed the parameter's is it no longer natural?
Because you've transfered energy If that's the true test of un natural To transfer human energy it would make trees un natural plants that have fed on us naturally un natural if this is the test of natural and unnatural it cannot exist in science now with copper oxide When we mix copper and oxygen it will only mix with 8 parts copper to 1 part to 7 parts copper with 2 parts oxygen no amount of freewill will change this fate .
Merged into one thread for further study to be continued .
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 11, 2020 6:46:07 GMT
If I think I have chosen A, then it seems my destiny has A as the next step or fate instead of me "has picked up" that A for me as my next step. So, there's only an appearance of choice lefts if I (or anyone else) manifest fate. Anyway, we can also think that we don't have choices, but only zugzwangs (I'll try to tell about it in the next topic). In this case there's no reason to guess about whether or not fate exists.
But if some things depends on our choices, then manifesting fate is likely to be another explanations for our behaviour. If I have done B, while it's an alternative to A, and doing B leads to C, then to say there's the fate is to say that C has been chosen by not a person who chooses. And if the alternative (A) leads to E, then we can say that there's the fate that has forced a person to choose B, but not A.
In both cases, either C is beyond of any human abilities to establish it to be so, or the fate is seen as some mystical force that magically leads us to taking decisions. And both of these cases have plenty of flaws. We can't really say anything good to protect such views.
If we can pick A or B, and A leads to C, while B leads to D, and we indeed can choose A or B (leaving behind all pros and cons of this choice), and C is indeed an inference of A, and D from B, then we're the creators of the part of reality.
We cannot be the creators of reality, because we don't choose what kind of variants there are, and we don't choose which inferences are, we just put some combinations together. We can think that fate is what creates conditions or the context for us – it's possible, but it really doesn't matter. What is important is that our choices make some changes.
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Post by hall on Nov 29, 2020 2:22:12 GMT
Freewill isn't to carve of stone as one might carve a path in life. Taking steel to stone both are natural both fate and truths established by nature's laws.The path itself natural, freewill is your pride saying this is yours to claim as your work and not gods will,natures truth
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Post by hall on Dec 8, 2020 8:04:30 GMT
When we mix copper and sulpher into copper oxide it will only mix with 8 parts copper to 1 part, to 7 parts copper with 2 parts sulpher no amount of freewill will change this fate and they will not mix. Thanks test this we can take magnet to remove copper and liquid to remove sulpher. Although it is possible that a ratio of 8 parts copper to 2 part oxygen exist it hasn't been discovered.When we mix copper and oxygen into copper oxide it will only mix with 8 parts copper to 1 part, to 7 parts copper with 2 parts oxygen no amount of freewill will change this fate and they will not mix. Now that isn't to say it impossible to mix 8 parts (or atoms) of copper into 2. But it hasn't been done and only so many possibilities to make copper oxide but new parts of the whole or fate are constantly being discovered by nature's laws in this instance elements or substances created by mixing them .So by this not only can we prove fate and alchemy of metals which are all the same except mercury and sulpher but that not all things mix and that is a fate and that alchemy has a bad rap in science if you exclude medicine but serves as a good example of fate over freewill.
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