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Post by karl on Nov 10, 2020 1:32:14 GMT
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 10, 2020 2:36:53 GMT
It's the pot calling the kettle black. The Soviet Union had literal slaves in their gulags at the time (not to mention the 20 million being murdered by Stalin as conservative estimates count them). What was happening to the blacks in the Deep South in the time of Roosevelt happened to every Soviet citizen under Stalin and every citizen in that Godless hellhole until its collapse, so I cannot take any criticism from a Stalinist seriously. If the Stalinists were criticizing Hitler, I couldn't take them seriously. Yes segregation and racism at the time was evil and I'm glad it ended far before my time but a Soviet sympathizer has absolutely no place from which to throw stones.
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Post by karl on Nov 10, 2020 3:16:49 GMT
It's the pot calling the kettle black. The Soviet Union had literal slaves in their gulags at the time (not to mention the 20 million being murdered by Stalin as conservative estimates count them). What was happening to the blacks in the Deep South in the time of Roosevelt happened to every Soviet citizen under Stalin and every citizen in that Godless hellhole until its collapse, so I cannot take any criticism from a Stalinist seriously. If the Stalinists were criticizing Hitler, I couldn't take them seriously. Yes segregation and racism at the time was evil and I'm glad it ended far before my time but a Soviet sympathizer has absolutely no place from which to throw stones.
Of course Stalin's Soviet union was far worse than the US at the time. I just thought it was interesting from a historical viewpoint.
American segregation and European colonialism were to sides of the same coin, and both the US and Europe practiced forced sterilization of those deemed as being of lesser value. Norwegian sterilization laws pass the Norwegian parliament in 1934, one year after Hitler came to power in Germany. It's quite amazing that nations with populations that viewed themselves as Christian, could so readily embrace social Darwinism.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 10, 2020 5:51:02 GMT
It's the pot calling the kettle black. The Soviet Union had literal slaves in their gulags at the time (not to mention the 20 million being murdered by Stalin as conservative estimates count them). What was happening to the blacks in the Deep South in the time of Roosevelt happened to every Soviet citizen under Stalin and every citizen in that Godless hellhole until its collapse, so I cannot take any criticism from a Stalinist seriously. If the Stalinists were criticizing Hitler, I couldn't take them seriously. Yes segregation and racism at the time was evil and I'm glad it ended far before my time but a Soviet sympathizer has absolutely no place from which to throw stones. I'm sorry Clovis but your comment is not correct becouse : This text is taken from classical literature Text taken from 'Revival: Little Golden America' (1944) (Routledge Revivals) by Ilya Ilf and Evgeny Petrov.Ilya Ilf famous Jew liberal(because they people are associated with liberalism).Anyway if a Soviet citizen from 1930 years describes the situation in another country as somewhere worse than his country , then he had reason to think so. For example the Third Reich. I am not supporters of Stalinism, and other human ideologies in -ism-, but people need to be as objective as possible for some things. For example, the USSR after the 1950s was relatively free, for example, free housing for everyone. Could this be the case in "democratic" capitalist states. In any case, the remark about slavery in the USSR is incorrect in this case . Yes there were downsides in the USSR... but apparently the western man in the street does not understand the whole situation .. because he thinks colonialism . Such a mentality of colonialism as the segregation blacks in the Southern states is absolutely unacceptable for many countries of the Old World. (Eurasia) Looking at the latest 'free and democratic' elections in the United States, we remember the Soviet propaganda from the newspaper ' Pravda'(The true). It turned out everything that the communists wrote about capitalism is true. Time has proven it! Finally, we will hear what people from the West thought about the Soviet Union in this song:
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 10, 2020 17:35:05 GMT
It's the pot calling the kettle black. The Soviet Union had literal slaves in their gulags at the time (not to mention the 20 million being murdered by Stalin as conservative estimates count them). What was happening to the blacks in the Deep South in the time of Roosevelt happened to every Soviet citizen under Stalin and every citizen in that Godless hellhole until its collapse, so I cannot take any criticism from a Stalinist seriously. If the Stalinists were criticizing Hitler, I couldn't take them seriously. Yes segregation and racism at the time was evil and I'm glad it ended far before my time but a Soviet sympathizer has absolutely no place from which to throw stones. I'm sorry Clovis but your comment is not correct becouse : This text is taken from classical literature Text taken from 'Revival: Little Golden America' (1944) (Routledge Revivals) by Ilya Ilf and Evgeny Petrov.Ilya Ilf famous Jew liberal(because they people are associated with liberalism).Anyway if a Soviet citizen from 1930 years describes the situation in another country as somewhere worse than his country , then he had reason to think so. For example the Third Reich. I am not supporters of Stalinism, and other human ideologies in -ism-, but people need to be as objective as possible for some things. For example, the USSR after the 1950s was relatively free, for example, free housing for everyone. Could this be the case in "democratic" capitalist states. In any case, the remark about slavery in the USSR is incorrect in this case . Yes there were downsides in the USSR... but apparently the western man in the street does not understand the whole situation .. because he thinks colonialism . Such a mentality of colonialism as the segregation blacks in the Southern states is absolutely unacceptable for many countries of the Old World. (Eurasia) Looking at the latest 'free and democratic' elections in the United States, we remember the Soviet propaganda from the newspaper ' Pravda'(The true). It turned out everything that the communists wrote about capitalism is true. Time has proven it! Finally, we will hear what people from the West thought about the Soviet Union in this song: Yes colonialism, like what the Soviet Union did to Eastern Europe and East Germany following WW2. Sorry the Soviet Union was absolute cancer and the world is a better place do to its collapse. Also Back in the U.S.S.R is not a serious song; it's a parody of Rock n' Roll legend Chuck Berry's song Back in the USA which is a patriotic song by a black man in the 1950's about how good it is to be in the USA. The average Westerner's opinion of the U.S.S.R was a lot like mine. You see, my parents lived through the Cold War and they absolutely hated the U.S.S.R and Communism and celebrated when it collapsed. The average person felt as they did.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 10, 2020 20:51:25 GMT
Obviously, you haven't figured it out yet. The bottom line is that you are convinced that someone is a Stalinist, although the situation is not easy.Ilf and Petrov wrote anti-Soviet texts, and the Stalinist regime censored them....you just didn't like the criticism of the South. In General, their views coincide with those of Mark Twain .In the South, they were perceived as New Yorkers. This book should be noted as a very significant work. Americans and America would gain a lot if they thought about these observations. Allentown Morning Call
Not many of our foreign guests were so far removed from Broadway and the Central streets of Chicago; not many could tell their impressions with such vividness and humor. New York Herald Tribune
This is one of the best books written about America by foreigners. It is a pleasant but sometimes restless task to rediscover America through the eyes of the authors of this book. News Courier, North Carolina
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 10, 2020 22:12:46 GMT
Obviously, you haven't figured it out yet. The bottom line is that you are convinced that someone is a Stalinist, although the situation is not easy.Ilf and Petrov wrote anti-Soviet texts, and the Stalinist regime censored them....you just didn't like the criticism of the South. In General, their views coincide with those of Mark Twain .In the South, they were perceived as New Yorkers. This book should be noted as a very significant work. Americans and America would gain a lot if they thought about these observations. Allentown Morning Call
Not many of our foreign guests were so far removed from Broadway and the Central streets of Chicago; not many could tell their impressions with such vividness and humor. New York Herald Tribune
This is one of the best books written about America by foreigners. It is a pleasant but sometimes restless task to rediscover America through the eyes of the authors of this book. News Courier, North CarolinaApologies, I assumed that because he was from the Soviet Union and referenced that "we Soviets help each other" that he supported his government. My issue wasn't his criticism of the South, it was criticism of the South by Soviet Communist scum. I didn't know that he was a liberal Soviet dissident as I hadn't the time or inclination to look it up. If he opposed the Soviet Union he is fine by me and his criticisms were fair as he wasn't throwing stones from a glass house.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 11, 2020 0:15:25 GMT
It's the pot calling the kettle black. The Soviet Union had literal slaves in their gulags at the time (not to mention the 20 million being murdered by Stalin as conservative estimates count them). What was happening to the blacks in the Deep South in the time of Roosevelt happened to every Soviet citizen under Stalin and every citizen in that Godless hellhole until its collapse, so I cannot take any criticism from a Stalinist seriously. If the Stalinists were criticizing Hitler, I couldn't take them seriously. Yes segregation and racism at the time was evil and I'm glad it ended far before my time but a Soviet sympathizer has absolutely no place from which to throw stones.
Of course Stalin's Soviet union was far worse than the US at the time. I just thought it was interesting from a historical viewpoint.
American segregation and European colonialism were to sides of the same coin, and both the US and Europe practiced forced sterilization of those deemed as being of lesser value. Norwegian sterilization laws pass the Norwegian parliament in 1934, one year after Hitler came to power in Germany. It's quite amazing that nations with populations that viewed themselves as Christian, could so readily embrace social Darwinism.
Ah yes. Ironically most of the racist eugenicist nonsense came from the North in the Greater New England area among Harvard intellectuals. The Old Stock Anglo Saxon Protestant people there were being joined by new groups of Jews, Eastern, and Southern Europeans that they considered inferior to, "Nordic" Northwestern European peoples they called the, "American race stock." Eugenics was seen as progressive and in line with the latest science. We did have eugenics in my state of South Carolina but it seemed to be aimed at the mentally retarded and mentally ill rather than at the large black population which they were content to keep as a subordinate caste. muse.jhu.edu/article/3720 All of this is repulsive of course and it does seem strange that Christians would support such measures as Jesus Christ himself would never supported them. However general cultural forces beyond religion contributed to these atrocities. It's like in the Muslim world where there are honor killings. The honor killings do not come from Islam but from the pre Islamic clan dynamics of the Arabs. Regarding eugenics, I don't think that the idea has completely left the Western world. Iceland not too many years ago bragged that through abortion it had eliminated Downs Syndrome from its population. Also it was also interesting to see that eugenics in the United States was not confined to the white population. W.E.B Du Bois and a few other black leaders thought that the lesser strains of both races should be sterilized and the top tier of both races should mix together to create a superior mixed race population. They hoped that through eugenics they would breed out the "moral iniquity" of their own race.
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Post by karl on Nov 11, 2020 1:58:51 GMT
Of course Stalin's Soviet union was far worse than the US at the time. I just thought it was interesting from a historical viewpoint.
American segregation and European colonialism were to sides of the same coin, and both the US and Europe practiced forced sterilization of those deemed as being of lesser value. Norwegian sterilization laws pass the Norwegian parliament in 1934, one year after Hitler came to power in Germany. It's quite amazing that nations with populations that viewed themselves as Christian, could so readily embrace social Darwinism.
Ah yes. Ironically most of the racist eugenicist nonsense came from the North in the Greater New England area among Harvard intellectuals. The Old Stock Anglo Saxon Protestant people there were being joined by new groups of Jews, Eastern, and Southern Europeans that they considered inferior to, "Nordic" Northwestern European peoples they called the, "American race stock." Eugenics was seen as progressive and in line with the latest science. We did have eugenics in my state of South Carolina but it seemed to be aimed at the mentally retarded and mentally ill rather than at the large black population which they were content to keep as a subordinate caste. muse.jhu.edu/article/3720 All of this is repulsive of course and it does seem strange that Christians would support such measures as Jesus Christ himself would never supported them. However general cultural forces beyond religion contributed to these atrocities. It's like in the Muslim world where there are honor killings. The honor killings do not come from Islam but from the pre Islamic clan dynamics of the Arabs. Regarding eugenics, I don't think that the idea has completely left the Western world. Iceland not too many years ago bragged that through abortion it had eliminated Downs Syndrome from its population. Also it was also interesting to see that eugenics in the United States was not confined to the white population. W.E.B Du Bois and a few other black leaders thought that the lesser strains of both races should be sterilized and the top tier of both races should mix together to create a superior mixed race population. They hoped that through eugenics they would breed out the "moral iniquity" of their own race.
Eugenics is alive and well. Social Darwinism is excrement from the scientific paradigm. I've heard allowing late abortions in the US being justified by claiming that the fetuses in most of these cases have what's deemed as "abnormalities". Down's syndrome falls into that category.
You're correct about Iceland. In Norway, I think about 80% of pregnancies are aborted if the fetus has Down's syndrome. One reason for that high number is, in my opinion, that doctors are are far from neutral on this issue, and tend to nudge pregnant mothers into choosing abortion.
The difference between the American and Norwegian law on this issue, is that in Norway there was a National compromise between the different political parties of allowing early abortions up to 12 weeks, and where late abortions are allowed under special circumstances. -For example if the mother's life is in danger or the fetus lacks a brain. -But also if the fetus has Down's syndrome.
This is eugenics, and supported by many of the secular humanists who would otherwise claim that all humans have equal worth.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 11, 2020 3:41:50 GMT
Ah yes. Ironically most of the racist eugenicist nonsense came from the North in the Greater New England area among Harvard intellectuals. The Old Stock Anglo Saxon Protestant people there were being joined by new groups of Jews, Eastern, and Southern Europeans that they considered inferior to, "Nordic" Northwestern European peoples they called the, "American race stock." Eugenics was seen as progressive and in line with the latest science. We did have eugenics in my state of South Carolina but it seemed to be aimed at the mentally retarded and mentally ill rather than at the large black population which they were content to keep as a subordinate caste. muse.jhu.edu/article/3720 All of this is repulsive of course and it does seem strange that Christians would support such measures as Jesus Christ himself would never supported them. However general cultural forces beyond religion contributed to these atrocities. It's like in the Muslim world where there are honor killings. The honor killings do not come from Islam but from the pre Islamic clan dynamics of the Arabs. Regarding eugenics, I don't think that the idea has completely left the Western world. Iceland not too many years ago bragged that through abortion it had eliminated Downs Syndrome from its population. Also it was also interesting to see that eugenics in the United States was not confined to the white population. W.E.B Du Bois and a few other black leaders thought that the lesser strains of both races should be sterilized and the top tier of both races should mix together to create a superior mixed race population. They hoped that through eugenics they would breed out the "moral iniquity" of their own race.
Eugenics is alive and well. Social Darwinism is excrement from the scientific paradigm. I've heard allowing late abortions in the US being justified by claiming that the fetuses in most of these cases have what's deemed as "abnormalities". Down's syndrome falls into that category.
You're correct about Iceland. In Norway, I think about 80% of pregnancies are aborted if the fetus has Down's syndrome. One reason for that high number is, in my opinion, that doctors are are far from neutral on this issue, and tend to nudge pregnant mothers into choosing abortion.
The difference between the American and Norwegian law on this issue, is that in Norway there was a National compromise between the different political parties of allowing early abortions up to 12 weeks, and where late abortions are allowed under special circumstances. -For example if the mother's life is in danger or the fetus lacks a brain. -But also if the fetus has Down's syndrome.
This is eugenics, and supported by many of the secular humanists who would otherwise claim that all humans have equal worth.
Yes, this practice is barbaric. I have aspergers syndrome and I was very inconvenient at times to my parents and to many people in society. Just because someone is inconvenient doesn't mean the parents or society has the right to kill them. They deserve the gift of life just as anyone else does.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 11, 2020 6:55:37 GMT
Speaking of being born or not when you have any health or mental disorders and violations; norm = being most adopted? Most adopted = ?
Honestly, I wouldn't mind to be aborted if I wouldn't have any chances to live among kind and love persons. Living around of ugly and dumb, pathetically stupid, or cruel and mindless person is nothing, but experiencing the constant pain.
If there's no chances to make humanity kinder or more lovely to each other, there's no purpose to live at all.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 13, 2020 5:06:29 GMT
Speaking of being born or not when you have any health or mental disorders and violations; norm = being most adopted? Most adopted = ? Honestly, I wouldn't mind to be aborted if I wouldn't have any chances to live among kind and love persons. Living around of ugly and dumb, pathetically stupid, or cruel and mindless person is nothing, but experiencing the constant pain. If there's no chances to make humanity kinder or more lovely to each other, there's no purpose to live at all. My position on this is what Tyrion Lannister says below.
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