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Post by hall on Nov 4, 2020 17:44:05 GMT
~Fate and the Main principles of Science~
Before I get into the works of others I'd like to have my own testable theory I will be putting forward a few basic principle's.1 That science must be a testable series of specific actions , that those actions can be repeated to
Reach a specific outcome, within the parameter's of the test. 2 That all Science is infact a product of nature and nature's law 3 That there is a sovereign power that controls these forces 4 Can these forces and outcomes be used to predict a Fate,5 Is fate a testable scientific theory
Now I doubt many would argue with my first principle so I will be starting with the second, first I will compare what is natural and unnatural with nature then we will consider the law . To be made of nature not made by man so we have our first argument and we must test this
While it certianly cannot be argued we are not controlling the conditions is it unnatural and we must calculate infinite numbers to see that nothing is impossible, is that a testable theory or is that bad science is that unnatural by nature
There's no parameter's there so we cannot
Predict anything it's simply not science it's un natural thus my first argument for science's natural laws .
We must have parameter's that are predictable and for nature to exist there must be parameter's , just like for science to exist there must be parameter's therefore the unnatural cannot exist in science.
I would put forward the following test , man makes plastic bottles using specific parameter's plastic is manmade its unnatural now we have basic parameter's plastic being the unnatural product clearly in those basic parameter's but all the actions occur naturally what is
the unnatural nature of this the combination of knowledge derived from nature? we've simply changed the parameter's to an untestable theory can plastic occur in nature of course it can we've simply changed the parameter's is it no longer natural?
Because you've transfered energy
If that's the true test of un natural
To transfer human energy it would make trees un natural plants that have fed on us naturally un natural if this is the test of natural and unnatural it cannot exist in science .
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 4, 2020 17:59:31 GMT
Regarding the point made in number 1. Not all things that are repeated in science will have the same result. Take the example of acidity and bases. Acidity is supposed to slow down and enzyme an bases don't do that and might just help the enzyme do its job faster. However, there have been times when acidity ones act worse than the bases even and don't do their job. It can sometimes pull a 180. Why? How come sometimes it does it's job and sometimes it doesn't act like an acid but an extremely high fucntioning base? Did it lose it's identity? Was discussing this earlier with some science teachers and they were stumped  |
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Post by hall on Nov 4, 2020 18:31:42 GMT
I think that is simply our limit to view the whole . Simply put even the best of us (humans) specialize in a spoke of a wheel or the whole so that limits the fate of the test but can you argue that certian tests the results are fated .
If I put blue dye in water it turns blue.
I would like to know more about what your talking though I'll look it up.
I have a basic knowledge of acidity and alcaline neutrality can you explain this a little better?
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Post by hall on Nov 4, 2020 18:40:28 GMT
Are you saying that the acid acts as an alcaline it makes sense because while the food source is largely alcaline because it revolves around death the acid basically dies to simplify it and it becomes alcaline we have more acid in nature so the alcaline acts as a base but all life came from acids on earth so I would attribute it to that without further study are we on the same page if not please explain better .
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Post by hall on Nov 4, 2020 19:04:21 GMT
I like it. That science is a product of nature. Aristotle cites something similar in Mechanics: "mastered by Nature, we overcome by Art." Yes and I would further suggest that nature's law is dictated by fate and that Gods will is Infact nature's law. I would also suggest that science is the study of nature's law and that Freedom is Infact a fate and that God's sovereignty and freewill cannot co exists and that the only freewill you have is to knowlying lie and that freedom will replace freewill as we progress in areas of philosophy and natures law or science. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 4, 2020 19:27:49 GMT
I think that is simply our limit to view the whole . Simply put even the best of us (humans) specialize in a spoke of a wheel or the whole so that limits the fate of the test but can you argue that certian tests the results are fated . If I put blue dye in water it turns blue. I would like to know more about what your talking though I'll look it up. I have a basic knowledge of acidity and alcaline neutrality can you explain this a little better? We could use a simple example of apples. Acid substances must keep it from browning and bases substances usually make them brown more. However, an acid like vinegar will sometimes seriously brown the apple instead of doing what an acids like lemon juice do which make it not brown. So the vinegar acid doesn't always act like it should in each test or experiment done. Maybe more tests would be needed to know why but it's not acid at times.  And yes events like that are rare. As you said if you pour blue food coloring you'll get blue. I don't think it would ever turn another color unless it's not poured into water. Also...sidenote...it says you're posting via mobile and posting that way doesn't give you full access to the forum. If you'd like full access via mobile you can scroll down to the bottom of the page and click desktop on the right. So just wanted to pass that on if you'd like to navigate better! |
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Post by hall on Nov 4, 2020 20:06:24 GMT
I think that is simply our limit to view the whole . Simply put even the best of us (humans) specialize in a spoke of a wheel or the whole so that limits the fate of the test but can you argue that certian tests the results are fated . If I put blue dye in water it turns blue. I would like to know more about what your talking though I'll look it up. I have a basic knowledge of acidity and alcaline neutrality can you explain this a little better? We could use a simple example of apples. Acid substances must keep it from browning and bases substances usually make them brown more. However, an acid like vinegar will sometimes seriously brown the apple instead of doing what an acids like lemon juice do which make it not brown. So the vinegar acid doesn't always act like it should in each test or experiment done. Maybe more tests would be needed to know why but it's not acid at times. And yes events like that are rare. As you said if you pour blue food coloring you'll get blue. I don't think it would ever turn another color unless it's not poured into water. Also...sidenote...it says you're posting via mobile and posting that way doesn't give you full access to the forum. If you'd like full access via mobile you can scroll down to the bottom of the page and click desktop on the right. So just wanted to pass that on if you'd like to navigate better! I don't have a simple answer but thanks for sharing an example maybe I'll look into it later. |
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Post by singerofsongs on Nov 6, 2020 5:34:57 GMT
I like to think of it in terms of the passage of time.
'Predictions' of fate are future intentions, until they come to pass and become past 'coincidences' in the eyes of the unaware. However for the one who predicted them... are they simply not free will or destiny?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 6, 2020 6:05:16 GMT
Natural/unnatural is problematic. Being made by hands, being made by legs, being pushed, being created in mind, being taken from the nature (the mind has copied something), being stomped (leaving a step trace), being drunk, being blown (e.g. a balloon), being seen, etc – each of this can either be maintained as a man-made, or not. Rapidly mashing buttons on my keyboard I'm not sure what causes it mainly, and which part of mine is responsible for the speed, accuracy, memory, etc.
Because this thesis seems to be important in this argument, I think it has to be rearranged.
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Post by jonbain on Nov 6, 2020 18:19:12 GMT
Well certainly you are correct in that real science predicts fate.
But the foundation of science rests on ethics, which is a much
more difficult entity to define. Anyone can claim 'science'
and then lie, threaten and embezzle, as can be done with claims
of ethics too.
But contemporary science 'deduces' that we are living in a state
of 'survival of the fittest' which reduces to animal-type ethics
of kill or be killed, and lies are fine if you do not get caught out.
The historical legacy of the founding fathers of the institution
of science (Descartes, Galileo, Newton) were subverted by the
neo-Darwinists into such a moral degeneration to the point where
genuine science is becoming more myth than reality, even as it
empowers itself with the real science of those more pure processes.
To debate science without an ethical foundation is really an act of war.
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