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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 17, 2020 18:41:50 GMT
What do you think about this? How frequently it has to happen?
Actually they say it depends on your heart, your fell of need it, and so on. So, the quality of prayers is important, not the quantity. Am I right?
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Post by johnbc on Oct 18, 2020 14:17:37 GMT
Jesus taught how to pray: 'Forgive our debts AS we forgive our debtors' and further clarified: 'With the same criteria with which you judge you will be judged'. The conclusion is OBVIOUS: either you learn to forgive, or the stricter your obedience to all the other rules of what you understand by 'Christian morals', the more they will serve to tighten the criteria with which you will be judged and most likely condemned.
Our ONLY way out of this valley of tears is to always forgive, to forgive everything, to forgive with all our heart. To be honest, I only met three or four Christians in my life who understood this.
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Post by jonbain on Oct 19, 2020 10:36:07 GMT
Once.
The prayer which is your entire life.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 19, 2020 13:11:51 GMT
Once. The prayer which is your entire life. These words are so true! |
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Post by The Cathar on Oct 27, 2020 22:49:09 GMT
I agree with the thought that your entire life should be a prayer. If only it were that easy for some of us! However, as for 'prayer times' and such I look to the Didache of the Early Church, in which it is recommended to pray the Lord's Prayer three times daily. As the Didache gives no specific times for these prayers, I go with a four-hour 8-12-4 cycle. I also add the Prayer upon waking and retiring, in addition to the 'dailies'. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 28, 2020 9:39:03 GMT
I agree with the thought that your entire life should be a prayer. If only it were that easy for some of us! However, as for 'prayer times' and such I look to the Didache of the Early Church, in which it is recommended to pray the Lord's Prayer three times daily. As the Didache gives no specific times for these prayers, I go with a four-hour 8-12-4 cycle. I also add the Prayer upon waking and retiring, in addition to the 'dailies'. Wow, thanks a lot for responding and reminding me that amazing resource! Those I-II century Christian sources are to be something. I like this one called "The Shepherd of Hermas". It's filled with so many interesting details like watching a dressing girl, meeting aka Civilla, Jesus as the superior Angel, etc. I guess those details are fruits of rich, yet clumsy imagination of the author/narrator. Also, I've noticed, my own sins barrier my intentions to pray. It's awful. But much often it becomes uneasy to find a quiet place and a quiet time in our mad world. |
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Post by The Cathar on Oct 28, 2020 14:54:55 GMT
I agree with the thought that your entire life should be a prayer. If only it were that easy for some of us! However, as for 'prayer times' and such I look to the Didache of the Early Church, in which it is recommended to pray the Lord's Prayer three times daily. As the Didache gives no specific times for these prayers, I go with a four-hour 8-12-4 cycle. I also add the Prayer upon waking and retiring, in addition to the 'dailies'. Wow, thanks a lot for responding and reminding me that amazing resource! Those I-II century Christian sources are to be something. I like this one called "The Shepherd of Hermas". It's filled with so many interesting details like watching a dressing girl, meeting aka Civilla, Jesus as the superior Angel, etc. I guess those details are fruits of rich, yet clumsy imagination of the author/narrator. Also, I've noticed, my own sins barrier my intentions to pray. It's awful. But much often it becomes uneasy to find a quiet place and a quiet time in our mad world. On finding that 'quiet place and time' for prayer, or simply for self-reflection, I think the Muslims have hit on an elegantly simple solution: the prayer rug. While it's not always convenient to carry around, when you put down a prayer rug you create a 'sacred space' and, for a few minutes at least, that little patch of ground is a safe haven from the outside world and it helps bring one's thoughts into focus. In my own practice, I don't use a prayer rug normally, but I do see the advantages of creating a 'sacred space' however one might do it. One might even simply place four stones in a square to mark out their 'sacred space', or another might light a candle. I suppose if one wanted to, wearing a specific piece of jewelry- a special necklace or ring worn just for the occasion- might work as well. The key- and I know you already know this- is to find a way to silence the noise and disorder around us so we may focus on our prayers (or meditations, or whatever one's specific practice may be). Don't be afraid to experiment, either. As they say, if it's stupid but it works, it's not stupid :D |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 28, 2020 16:27:57 GMT
Agree that many things in other religions including this one – kneeling rug – may impress with interesting and, sometimes, not obvious features.
Meister Eckhart's decision, as far as I know, is to find spiritual spot inside your real silence, not formal and seen ones. So, for prayer I have to be alone, rather than standing on a rug or whatever. (I guess this Eckhart's option isn't expensive at all.)
Besides, to achieve a rug I must make a bazaar visiting, paying plenty of $$ to buy one. Instead of it a person may pray whole driving a car (of course being not in a bald traffic).
And another way to do it that makes you feel lonely for a prayer is to go for deserted areas.
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