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Post by johnbc on Oct 11, 2020 21:44:18 GMT
Hypothetically reasoning: If such extraterrestrials have a technology so superior to human that it can cross intergalactic spaces that we would take several millennia to traverse (if we had the means to do so), then it is obvious that they have had this technology for many ages, since before the beginning of our historical times. That being the case, it is impossible that they also do not have the means to send telepathic commands to human beings, influencing their conduct without their noticing — a hypothesis reinforced by the fact that, having the power to enter and leave our atmosphere at will, they do not reveal the slightest desire to make themselves known to humanity.
It is also certain that from their countless visits, alleged or documented, no benefit has resulted for the human species, but only diseases, fears, hallucinations and confusion. It makes no sense, therefore, to assume, like so many ufologists, that they were the creators of life on Earth, of which they would have in this hypothesis the greatest interest in being the maintainers and guardians.
Finally, it should be remembered that they appear in a variety of different appearances. If the cause of this were a plurality of planetary origins, we would have to admit the highly refined hypothesis that many “extraplanetary civilizations”, separated by whatever the number of millions of light years, developed simultaneously a sudden interest in planet Earth, which, however, they are content to observe from afar, almost anonymously. It is more logical to admit, instead, the ability to present themselves under different appearances, bewildering the poor human beings who have the unfortunate opportunity for a “meeting”.
Taking all this into account, I cannot find, rationally, any trace that can distinguish these extraterrestrials from the demons mentioned in the Bible.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 17, 2020 17:45:26 GMT
Completely agree. Elizabeth once said me the same – that what you've said at the end. What do you think about barely Meister Eckhart's thought on this: " If you’re frightened of dying and you’re holding on, you’ll see devils tearing your life away, but if you’ve made your peace, then the devils are really angels freeing you from the Earth" ("Jacob's Ladder", 1990) (Actually, it's not a quote from Meister Eckhart, but from a movie, however, the words are strong. Eckhart said some typical quotes in his "On Detachment".) “ This is what happens to willfulness” [to individual will, self-interest]. But I say it is “Not” [it is the Nothing] that is burned out [that burns] in hell. For example: suppose a burning coal is placed in my hand. If I say the coal burns me I do it a great injustice. To say precisely what does the burning, it is the “Not”. The coal has something in it that my hand does not. Observe! It is just this “Not” that is burning me – for if my hand had in it what the coal has, and can do what the coal can do, it, too, would blaze with fire, in which case all the fire that ever burned might be spilled on this hand and I should not feel hurt." (Speech 5b, DW Ι) " Whatever state we find ourselves in, whether in strength or in weak-ness, in joy or in sorrow, whatever we find ourselves attached to, we must abandon. . . . You must give up yourself, altogether give up self, and then you have really given up ... By renouncing yourself first, you then have renounced all things. ... A man who loves God could give up the whole world as easily as an egg." (Speech 30, DW II) " What is the prayer of the detached heart? I answer that detachment and purity cannot pray. For if anyone prays he asks God that something may be given to him, or asks that God may take something away from him. But the detached heart does not ask for anything at all that it would like to be rid of. Therefore it is free from all prayer." (On Detachment, DW) (Some kind person has already found something on it, so I took it from there www.ellopos.net/mail/eckhart-jacob-ladder.html)
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johnbc
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Post by johnbc on Oct 18, 2020 14:38:59 GMT
Stoicism emphasize patience, resistance, abstinence, and less active sacrifice and struggle for the good, which are christian marks.
Hell consists of being separated from God, therefore excluded from the infinite possibility and locked up forever in the psychological world you created yourself, without even a little window to peek outside.
As for praying, pray like this: "I don't know what it means to be good, but the Lord does. Make me to be good without me knowing".
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 18, 2020 17:34:39 GMT
He has Catholic written on his profile unlike me but also when he uses the bible he comes up with the same conclusion I've always been saying from the bible. Bible is very useful if you're a Christian seeking answers. Just saying.
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Post by jonbain on Oct 19, 2020 12:56:42 GMT
Well they are a whole variety of entities. But can we categorically decide that there is a genuine difference between good aliens and angels too?
But some such beings are like us, mostly confined to this 3d plane, whereas genuine angelic beings would be able to move between planes, and even between universes, likely more easily than traveling between galaxies and even between stars.
As it is star travel is totally viable with our current understanding of science. The technology will clearly take some time.
But where is the the will?
After all, its clear that the deluge was caused by a meteor strike and that another strike is inevitable.
Some people think that having 'faith' in God exonerates them from having to do the hard work of building an ark.
And this is my mission.
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