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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 21, 2017 11:23:07 GMT
If someone you loved was killed in front of you, but someone created a copy of them that was perfect right down to the atomic level, would they be the same person and would you love them just as much?
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Post by Lakupala on Nov 23, 2017 7:08:34 GMT
I had a dream like this one time. That my teacher's wife had died in an accident along time ago so he dedicated his life to build a device that would make a hologram of her and programmed it to be just like the original her in every way possible. It would also have AI to learn to say new things but still within the framework of her personality. It was just a hologram so you couldn't hug or it anything like that but you could have conversations with her. (Think of it as Siri but way more intelligent.) It was really convincing and the husband would like to make himself think that it was the real her.
I would say that it's silly if it's just an inanimate object but if it's a clone then it's more complicated. The first person that died has to be taken into account. He/she is the person that git killed so she (that's how I'll refer to the killed person) is done for. Her clone is bit a continuation of her since she is dead. So don't think of it as her mind was transported into a new body. Her life started let's say 35 years ago, had her own unique memories, had a family, and then she died and that's it. As for the clone, she is a real person that can't be dismissed as simply being an object. (Like the hologram.) You will most likely "adopt" her as a new member of the family or as a friend and she can be seen as a coping mechanism. Despite the two having the same memories and personalities, they are their own unique person. I would still be sad for the original version of her that was killed and wouldn't forget her, that's for sure but I would still have times where I deluxe myself into believing that everything is okay and that the clone is actually the original.
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Post by enarjilisi on Dec 2, 2017 7:24:02 GMT
I think this is much of a shock, see the human being you are emotionally attached to, killed in front of you. So my first question is: was that killing painful? If yes, then I'd be thinking of the revenge, both legal and individual, even if the copy is perfect, remembers all the past and behaves exactly in the way as the original did.
What happened once, can happen again, so the revenge here is very close to justice, the sense being to prevent the crime to be repeated.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 2, 2017 7:40:09 GMT
I think this is much of a shock, see the human being you are emotionally attached to, killed in front of you. So my first question is: was that killing painful? If yes, then I'd be thinking of the revenge, both legal and individual, even if the copy is perfect, remembers all the past and behaves exactly in the way as the original did. What happened once, can happen again, so the revenge here is very close to justice, the sense being to prevent the crime to be repeated. Very true. But let's say they had a natural death in front of you. What would you think of that copy of the person? Accept as original? |
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Post by enarjilisi on Dec 2, 2017 11:16:57 GMT
Elizabeth,
Death is death, natural or artificial. If it has someone as a cause, that someone must be avenged. If it has something as a cause, that something must be changed.
What about accepting a copy as the original, it is a philosophical problem indeed. In a way, we are all copies of ourselves from the past, we undergo changes each little bits of time, as Heraclitus put it in words, "Panta rei," everything flows, you cannot swim in the same river twice. We do accept our "updated" models as originals, all of us, i.e. regarding ourselves as the same person who we were, say, in childhood, which is not necessarily true.
Stanislav Lem was the author who investigated this problem in science fiction, and he has a masterpiece titled "Solaris." It shows the problems of acceptance or non-acceptance, and some other subtle nuances of human behavior. Definitely worth reading, if anyone yet hasn't.
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Post by marduk on Dec 2, 2017 12:44:13 GMT
If someone you loved was killed in front of you, but someone created a copy of them that was perfect right down to the atomic level, would they be the same person and would you love them just as much? dont know about killed in front of you xD but there is this tv show called black mirror which explores the concept but from a technological perspective, its called black mirror here is the episode i highly recommend this series, amazing |
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