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Post by greatestiam on Sept 14, 2019 16:53:37 GMT
Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?
God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer.
Meanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice. That justice being an eye for an eye. This means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me.
Since few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death. Yet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven.
Can god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just?
There is no doubt that we are all sinners. Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth.
If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death?
Thanks.
Regards DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 16, 2019 5:47:49 GMT
Mankind comdemned themselves.
Also murder isn't the only bad thing deserving of hell/death. There's many bad things.
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Post by greatestiam on Sept 26, 2019 19:47:43 GMT
Mankind comdemned themselves. Also murder isn't the only bad thing deserving of hell/death. There's many bad things.
Thanks for disagreeing with the good justice your bible teaches.
If mankind can condemn itself, which is a stupid notion, then we can also save ourselves without your genocidal god's help.
Regards DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 26, 2019 21:06:07 GMT
Mankind comdemned themselves. Also murder isn't the only bad thing deserving of hell/death. There's many bad things.
Thanks for disagreeing with the good justice your bible teaches.
If mankind can condemn itself, which is a stupid notion, then we can also save ourselves without your genocidal god's help.
Regards DL
What? Mankind was stupid to sin and ruin their relationship with God. If it's to ever be restored it has to be with God's permission. This is what is seen in bible. Like a bad spouse can't just beat up their spouse and say sorry it's all good again. The spouse must offer a way for the bad spouse to undo their wrong but they also have the right not to offer it a way to undo it.
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Post by just10sp on Sept 28, 2019 13:38:43 GMT
Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god? God is a just, fair, righteous, wise, and loving God. In fact it is scripture that man can never be good, can never access judgement properly, and can never experience the highest highs until we attain nirvana or in other words a higher heaven. God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer. The christian bible is often misunderstood, the Kingdom of God, is different than heaven, therefore a more accurate statement is that you are granted for free out of loving kindness eternal life through many bodies, and this is very natural and is known as Samsara. However you may obtain liberation from the cycle of life and death and obtain eternal heaven. However if somewhere along your journey you fall into great sin, your body will be burned in a lake of fire, and you will never go to heaven nor be born ever again.Meanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice. That justice being an eye for an eye. This means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me. The justice done by God and the Elders is much more accurate than what man can fathom, the elders are known for being in the 'third' heaven with God, which in a scientific approach, is above hyper-dimensional space, which is where time seizes to exist. For example a torus galaxy, is a perfect example of hyper or '4th dimension' yet if you were to seize the universes order and commit it to a perfect halt, you would have an unlimited amount of time, to access situations perfectly and far beyond any rational and sane person.Since few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death. Yet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven. Hell is an eternal place, which never seizes to exist, therefor anyone who obtains the Golden Rule, must speak of hell because as there are an abundances of thins that can occur in heaven or in dreams, so are there an abundance of things that can occur if your soul chooses to do massive vile and ill-meaning things. Many are called to stand at the right hand of God, yet few are chosen. There will always be a winner and a last place, and the Bible does in no way indicate that most people go to hell, ;p For most is the Kingdom of God, for some is eternity in Heaven amongst God's people, his Chosen One's, the Elect.Can god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just? In Hebrew, the words Wisdom and Wise are very different in English, the pictographs used suggest Man can only ever be Wise, while God can be total Wisdom, and Man only learns through experience, which is sinful, and sin is almost equivalent to sine, which is mathematical for a Cosine wave, meaning Time and Cosmic space. Man cannot emerge from the womb perfect, yet God can. When God says I am just, for example, he in your mind is only as just as you can conceive, yet when God said it, he meant He is THE MOST just, and you only have your own understanding of what that means. Just, righteous, and fair are all different things that translate to judgement, wisdom, and loving kindness.There is no doubt that we are all sinners. Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth. Good point. God is all things, meaning he is The Universe, and the Self, therefore it is God's will, perceived as natural law (or nature), and we must be in subservience to the law, until we learn to rise out of our sin.If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death? In my eyes, all things abominable go to hell, and I am a natural human being, who does follow Christ to the best of my ability, and only wolves in sheeps clothing (those who befriend only to betray), those who do not follow the Commandments or teachings of Christ could ever fall into such a horrible place. As long as you are nice, gentle, kind, non murderous, helpful, aid the poor, and show love in the best way you can, you are not a nuisance to society (hence the word noose), and believe in good behaviour, then things are looking up for you.Thanks. Regards DL God never condemns humanity, he only took the necessary steps in order to protect mankind from Satan. Humanity is one of God's most cherished creations, as we are not far from his supposed 'stargate'. However God knows all the stars names and locations and close to him may be very far from us. This is from the Annunaki bible, mentioned in the Quran, and translates well into the Christian Bible also. According to Hinduism God is Lord of Universes, and oversees all things within and without of creation.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 28, 2019 19:10:55 GMT
For every moral action a sin occurs by default thus necessitating an inherent act of generosity or forgiveness by default that not just enables a sense of continuity but is continuity itself.
For example if I give my last dollar to a broke person I sin against myself, dually if I do not I sin against him. The dollar must be "given" however, as it exists through trans"action". However either action results in some semblance of "seperation". If I give it to the man I am seperated from my ability to meet personal needs (thus destructive in the sense I cannot maintain myself, ie "sin"). The inverse occurs, dually, if I give it.
However with each respective choice an act of generation of further actions occurs (generosity).
Thus an inherent element of forgiveness is necessary, ie a letting go of or negation of negative acts, where the good always exists for strictly what it is and the negative is strictly nothing in itself, inother words all actions which create reality simultaneously destroy some other reality.
As to the condemnation of man, it is merely a statement where man in itself is effectively nothing and all actions neccesitate an inherent inescapable loop or spiral. The is judgement where all actions effectively give definition to reality as reality itself.
The still point which transcends this loop is detachment or "forgiveness" that allow all action to exist (both good and bad) as merely an image of the inherent formless nature of reality mirrored by the intrinsically empty nature of all actions in and of themselves.
The condemnation of man is merely a set of limits imposed reciprocally through the judgements made by man according to his own volition where he is formed according to the judgements he makes...thus the heavy emotional undertones of the Abrahamic God as a reflection of the Abrahamic people, God being a reflection of the pattern of being through which the people relate to themselves that is both real in the respect the nature of man is a reflection of God through his rational faculties but false as an approximation of a divine unity.
The condemnation or rather judgement of the Abrahamic God is a self reflection of the Jewish (and non Jewish people in certain respects) peoples values emphasizing the base appetites and how they not just play out in the psyche but act as key points of how we measure and form reality.
The "condemnation" of God is the inherent observation of the inherent self created loops that occur within any act of judgement which occurs all the way back in genesis where adam an eve create a self judgement by seeking "differentation" that eventually reflects in them being thrown out of the garden (a divine sense of unity) but still necessitates that in light of this judgement an intrinsic good to there being through the generosity of God still maintaining them under the weight of there own actions.
In shorter terms for every dark cloud there is a silver lining which not only allows it to exist but is the inherent emptiness that allows the dark cloud to exist and move in the first place, but not of its own accord.
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Post by jonbain on Sept 28, 2019 19:32:54 GMT
Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god? God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer. Meanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice. That justice being an eye for an eye. This means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me. Since few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death. Yet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven. Can god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just? There is no doubt that we are all sinners. Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth. If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death? Thanks. Regards DL The vast majority do very little, and thus they return to be incarnated again into much the same life they just had. Reincarnation is not against biblical text, their are suggestions that it was a part of the initial Bible before the edit of 334AD. I do not recall the exact details, but at one point John the Baptist is asked if he is literally 'Elijah', but he answers negatively. He does not say it is an impossible question for him to be such a reincarnation. So reincarnation is still implicitly part of the Bible here. There is a vast difference between bodily death and the second death - the destruction of the soul itself. Killing the body of another is not always wrong either, and all of us kill, whether tacitly via the butcher, or plants or annoying insects. Once you fully appreciate the 'immortality of the soul' beyond the body as a fundamental fact, then in many ways, such ethical questions become closer to an aesthetic narrative.
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Post by greatestiam on Oct 6, 2019 17:13:22 GMT
Thanks for disagreeing with the good justice your bible teaches.
If mankind can condemn itself, which is a stupid notion, then we can also save ourselves without your genocidal god's help.
Regards DL
What? Mankind was stupid to sin and ruin their relationship with God.
Yet you sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.
If you would not follow Adam and sin, you would derail god's plan.
You are too stupid to deal with the contradiction in your own ideology, so just keep running away to your genocidal son murdering prick of a god.
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Oct 6, 2019 17:16:33 GMT
God never condemns humanity,
Good. Then we never needed a savior.
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Oct 6, 2019 17:20:07 GMT
For every moral action a sin occurs by default. -------------------------- I think Jesus would not agree as he said to do good deeds. -----------------RegardsDL
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Post by greatestiam on Oct 6, 2019 17:24:25 GMT
Once you fully appreciate the 'immortality of the soul' beyond the body as a fundamental fact, then----------------------------------------then you show that you have put your mind into intellectual and moral dissonance.-----------------Regards DL
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Oct 6, 2019 19:55:39 GMT
For every moral action a sin occurs by default. -------------------------- I think Jesus would not agree as he said to do good deeds. -----------------RegardsDL And he also said to perpetually forgive and show mercy, as that is what justifies the deeds...
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 6, 2019 20:35:46 GMT
What? Mankind was stupid to sin and ruin their relationship with God.
Yet you sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.
If you would not follow Adam and sin, you would derail god's plan.
You are too stupid to deal with the contradiction in your own ideology, so just keep running away to your genocidal son murdering prick of a god.
Regards DL
You cannot derail what is to happen. Sinners will go to hell. Nothing can be changed. You can be in denial but God will never fail and things will go His way. A mind that thinks God can be beat has failed from conception.
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Post by greatestiam on Oct 12, 2019 15:29:15 GMT
And he also said to perpetually forgive and show mercy, as that is what justifies the deeds... While sending to hell those he will not perpetually forgive.
God is not walking his talk.
Regards DL
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Oct 12, 2019 16:28:27 GMT
And he also said to perpetually forgive and show mercy, as that is what justifies the deeds... While sending to hell those he will not perpetually forgive.
God is not walking his talk.
Regards DL
They judge themselves, "forgive and you will be forgiven", it's a variation of the golden rule which is circular and self referential. Even near death experiences often loop people's beliefs or cultures back to them. You reap what you sow.
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