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Post by greatestiam on Sept 8, 2019 14:15:04 GMT
What do you think of the mainstream religions that are homophobic and misogynous?
I think they are stuck in the past and refuse to grow their moral sense to a higher level as they continue to discriminate and denigrate against gays and women without a just cause.
Should secular law do something against the religions that preach and teach poor morals and laws that are the opposite of the better secular law we live by?
We seem to be coming down on Islam and demanding they reform, but we seem to be ignoring Christianity’s efforts to make the world a worse place with homophobia and second class women.
Thoughts?
Regards DL
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Sept 8, 2019 21:55:10 GMT
What do you think of the mainstream religions that are homophobic and misogynous? I think they are stuck in the past and refuse to grow their moral sense to a higher level as they continue to discriminate and denigrate against gays and women without a just cause. Should secular law do something against the religions that preach and teach poor morals and laws that are the opposite of the better secular law we live by? We seem to be coming down on Islam and demanding they reform, but we seem to be ignoring Christianity’s efforts to make the world a worse place with homophobia and second class women. Thoughts? Regards DL There's Nothing Wrong With Turning Back the Clock If It Is Connected to a Time BombI'll just take issue with using "stuck in the past" as if there were something automatically wrong with that. Society doesn't necessarily go forward; sometimes it is decadent. One of the signs of that is believing that everything new is improved. This is especially misleading in our times, because so many products have continually been progressing that people think the ethical world is in step with the material world. I've found it useful to judge an issue by how many false ideas it uses to back it up. For example, "judged by the color of their skin" is as dishonest as defending a losing team by saying that the refs were prejudiced against the color of its uniforms. Or that midgets are kept out of the NBA only because of their Munchkin voices. Even charges of logical fallacy are being misused. A fallacy is only wrong as absolute and conclusive proof. Most of the time, in fact, it is actually true and is practically always useful as evidence to go on.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 8, 2019 22:49:08 GMT
What do you mean by homophobic?
Because relgions that say homophobia is sin and stuff are not actually homophobic. They will not harm them or anything but will just disagree with their ways of life. This is my religion.
The other relgions will physically cause harm to them. This is homophobia in action.
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Post by Etu Malku on Sept 8, 2019 23:27:53 GMT
What do you mean by homophobic? Because relgions that say homophobia is sin and stuff are not actually homophobic. They will not harm them or anything but will just disagree with their ways of life. This is my religion. The other relgions will physically cause harm to them. This is homophobia in action. Clearly homosexuality is a sin in Christianity punishable by death . . .
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22) If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (Romans 1:27)
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:32)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. (1 Timothy. 1:9-10)
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 9, 2019 0:42:36 GMT
What do you mean by homophobic? Because relgions that say homophobia is sin and stuff are not actually homophobic. They will not harm them or anything but will just disagree with their ways of life. This is my religion. The other relgions will physically cause harm to them. This is homophobia in action. Clearly homosexuality is a sin in Christianity punishable by death . . .
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22) If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (Romans 1:27)
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:32)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. (1 Timothy. 1:9-10)
Google "homosexuality is a sin in traditional paganism" fourth article down (gala tradition of witch craft: homosexuality and fertility)...it is not just christianity, or Islam, judaism, buddhism, Hinduism and taoism but also traditional paganism as well that negates this. Second the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn expressively says respect for other religions and there practices and beliefs are necessary. This can be viewed in "The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn Compete Curriculum" in the sacredtextarchives.com So do you respect the stance above?
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 9, 2019 0:43:40 GMT
What do you think of the mainstream religions that are homophobic and misogynous? I think they are stuck in the past and refuse to grow their moral sense to a higher level as they continue to discriminate and denigrate against gays and women without a just cause. Should secular law do something against the religions that preach and teach poor morals and laws that are the opposite of the better secular law we live by? We seem to be coming down on Islam and demanding they reform, but we seem to be ignoring Christianity’s efforts to make the world a worse place with homophobia and second class women. Thoughts? Regards DL If God is evil, and man is a deity made in the image of God...should you listen to man?
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Post by Etu Malku on Sept 9, 2019 1:05:08 GMT
Clearly homosexuality is a sin in Christianity punishable by death . . .
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22) If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (Romans 1:27)
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:32)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. (1 Timothy. 1:9-10)
Google "homosexuality is a sin in traditional paganism" fourth article down (gala tradition of witch craft: homosexuality and fertility)...it is not just christianity, or Islam, judaism, buddhism, Hinduism and taoism but also traditional paganism as well that negates this. Second the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn expressively says respect for other religions and there practices and beliefs are necessary. This can be viewed in "The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn Compete Curriculum" in the sacredtextarchives.com So do you respect the stance above? 1. I was replying to Elizabeth 2. I was commenting in regards to Christianity (her religion) 3. Which stance are you asking me about?
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 9, 2019 1:07:06 GMT
Google "homosexuality is a sin in traditional paganism" fourth article down (gala tradition of witch craft: homosexuality and fertility)...it is not just christianity, or Islam, judaism, buddhism, Hinduism and taoism but also traditional paganism as well that negates this. Second the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn expressively says respect for other religions and there practices and beliefs are necessary. This can be viewed in "The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn Compete Curriculum" in the sacredtextarchives.com So do you respect the stance above? 1. I was replying to Elizabeth 2. I was commenting in regards to Christianity (her religion) 3. Which stance are you asking me about? You have to respect these religions and there stances...do you? And it is not traditional Christianity alone that has this anti homosexual behavior position.
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Post by Etu Malku on Sept 9, 2019 1:18:08 GMT
1. I was replying to Elizabeth 2. I was commenting in regards to Christianity (her religion) 3. Which stance are you asking me about? You have to respect these religions and there stances...do you? And it is not traditional Christianity alone that has this anti homosexual behavior position. I don't have to respect these religions and there stances, what gives you that idea? I never said it was Christianity alone.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 9, 2019 1:24:46 GMT
You have to respect these religions and there stances...do you? And it is not traditional Christianity alone that has this anti homosexual behavior position. I don't have to respect these religions and there stances, what gives you that idea? I never said it was Christianity alone.
The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn necessitates it in their curriculum, ie respect all faiths, hence I ask "do you respect these Faith's and there stances?" I never said you said it was christianity alone, but you have to take into account other faiths...if you are rational.
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Post by Etu Malku on Sept 9, 2019 1:39:34 GMT
I don't have to respect these religions and there stances, what gives you that idea? I never said it was Christianity alone.
The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn necessitates it in their curriculum, ie respect all faiths, hence I ask "do you respect these Faith's and there stances?" I never said you said it was christianity alone, but you have to take into account other faiths...if you are rational. What do I care what the Golden Dawn necessitates? When you write "it is not traditional Christianity alone that has this anti homosexual behavior position" you are implying that I assume it is only Christianity. It obviously is not only Christianity.
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Post by Etu Malku on Sept 9, 2019 1:48:08 GMT
There is only one intelligent argument against homosexuality. Life began asexually. The primary basis of evolution is an adaptation that fosters the production and survival of offspring. production was more advantageous than asexual reproduction, as it allowed for greater genetic variation. Animals ultimately developed the ability to reproduce through the coming together of a male and female member of the species. Even though homosexuality is a perfectly fine and acceptable form of orientation it does go against the natural laws of species propagation.
Other than stating the above, I personally do not have any bias towards same-sex relations or against women or the feminine principle.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 9, 2019 2:07:32 GMT
What do you mean by homophobic? Because relgions that say homophobia is sin and stuff are not actually homophobic. They will not harm them or anything but will just disagree with their ways of life. This is my religion. The other relgions will physically cause harm to them. This is homophobia in action. Clearly homosexuality is a sin in Christianity punishable by death . . .
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22) If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (Romans 1:27) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:32) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. (1 Timothy. 1:9-10)
Yes, sin is punishable by death meaning hell which is called second death in bible. In OT killing them would be fine still but now we live by NT and we must wait until God sends them to hell. So now we help them or put up with them if they can't be helped.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 9, 2019 2:51:22 GMT
The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn necessitates it in their curriculum, ie respect all faiths, hence I ask "do you respect these Faith's and there stances?" I never said you said it was christianity alone, but you have to take into account other faiths...if you are rational. What do I care what the Golden Dawn necessitates? When you write "it is not traditional Christianity alone that has this anti homosexual behavior position" you are implying that I assume it is only Christianity. It obviously is not only Christianity. The Heralds of the Golden Dawn advocate "predatory spiritualism" as well as "vampirism" on their Facebook page...so your stance is different from the Hermetic Order in regards to religion? As to the other religions, I am not implying nor not implying anything, I am simply stating it is not Christianity alone...but that is a moot point. So you advocate vamprisism and predatory spiritualism and are against dominating the will of others? I am confused on your stance relative to how you view Christianity and other faiths in light of your self professed beliefs.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 9, 2019 3:08:16 GMT
There is only one intelligent argument against homosexuality. Life began asexually. The primary basis of evolution is an adaptation that fosters the production and survival of offspring. production was more advantageous than asexual reproduction, as it allowed for greater genetic variation. Animals ultimately developed the ability to reproduce through the coming together of a male and female member of the species. Even though homosexuality is a perfectly fine and acceptable form of orientation it does go against the natural laws of species propagation. Other than stating the above, I personally do not have any bias towards same-sex relations or against women or the feminine principle. The primary basic of evolution is not survival of the offspring as the offspring must be eventually overwritten for better versions. There is no rational explanation for evolution as it does not explain why certain qualities of organisms never change. So evolution is really just an assumed stance for determining what is right and wrong behavior. We are left with isomorphic forms as the only rational validation for heterosexual behavior. The nature of the phallus and yanu are inversions of the other and necessitate a complimentary dualism. The phallus is projective in its form The yani is receptive in its absence of form (hollow). The phallus as projective reflects the dynamic state of the Male pscyhe. The yani as receptive reflects the passive state of the female psyche. The Male body is angular which reflects a rationality inherent within the dominant intellect of man as measuring reality through reason (math, logic, geometry) and precise definitions. The Female body is fluid in firm which reflects a more fluid emotional and intuitive state. The isomorphism of fluids its also interesting: The man projects white fluid from the groin that seeds or "creates" life, this comes from the more linear phallus and one hole. Man creates from bottom half with one hole. The woman projects white fluid from the chest that nourishes or maintains created life (child), this comes from the , which are curved rather than straight and two holes. Woman maintains with top half with two holes. Etc....the list can be continued later. Isomorphism, a universal law, necessitates the moral nature of heterosexuality and the anti moral behavior of homosexuality as it necessitates a inverse symmetry that when synthesized shows a fuller degree of unity in mental, physical and emotional states. In simpler terms, form determines morality and form is both constant and spatial in nature.
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