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Post by greatestiam on Feb 23, 2019 17:45:28 GMT
Who has more control of our thinking; God or Satan?
I don’t know what God or Satan’s game is, but God giving Satan dominion over our political/physical realm as well as the power to deceive our spiritual/religious realm in us all seems counterintuitive to what a good God would do.
It seems like God is giving Satan the advantage, in terms of our ability to think without deception or Satan’s undo interference.
Rev12;9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent,
called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Why did God curse us with Satan and her minions?
It cannot be to give us free will as none of us have the free will to never sin. If we did have that, we would have some examples of people who never sinned.
On another tangent, scriptures say that God himself put’s lies/deception into his prophets and that he decides who will have faith or not by his doling out grace only to those he has pre-selected and thus denies other the ability to have faith or belief.
This biblical contradiction, strangely, refutes all that I put above on Satan. Can Christians clear up this contradiction?
Regards DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 23, 2019 18:53:39 GMT
Satan does because he wants us to be separated from God so the less we think of God the better for satan. Because when the person dies he will go to hell and it'll please Satan. God gives free will. So people use it and get themselves manipulated by satan and rather spend it not worshipping God. But all becomes fair for their punishment in hell which they chose.
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Post by prophettom on Feb 24, 2019 15:58:52 GMT
It is interesting question. At the Judgment God spoke strong and full of power. Commanded your full attention. Than came his Devils to test his Judgment. They have been very verbal and influential. But so has God. So in the end it seems you have those who want peace and peaceful laws. Others think it can only be gained through brutality death and hell.
So even those of a good faith and religion can find themselves following devils. If not following endorsing there lessons with the mouth.God has more power. He can be heard over all when he wants to. So can Devils. But Gods influence for me has been stronger than a Devils or a group of devils. Yes i have to deal with both single and groups of them.
Both are strong. But God is stronger.
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Post by jonbain on Feb 24, 2019 21:14:57 GMT
Who has more control of our thinking; God or Satan? I don’t know what God or Satan’s game is, but God giving Satan dominion over our political/physical realm as well as the power to deceive our spiritual/religious realm in us all seems counterintuitive to what a good God would do. It seems like God is giving Satan the advantage, in terms of our ability to think without deception or Satan’s undo interference. Rev12;9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Why did God curse us with Satan and her minions? It cannot be to give us free will as none of us have the free will to never sin. If we did have that, we would have some examples of people who never sinned. On another tangent, scriptures say that God himself put’s lies/deception into his prophets and that he decides who will have faith or not by his doling out grace only to those he has pre-selected and thus denies other the ability to have faith or belief. This biblical contradiction, strangely, refutes all that I put above on Satan. Can Christians clear up this contradiction? Regards DL I see no place in Christian teaching that suggests that faith is pre-selected by God. We are all given the opportunity to be persuaded by fear or to choose faith. As for the video, the speaker claims that it is wrong for God to kill the first-born of Egypt. He thus equates bodily death with disaster, which shows that the speaker is motivated by fear of death in his judgement of the Biblical narrative. (And all else too). Everybody dies. Death is not really the issue, but salvation of the soul upon death is what matters. The circumstance of death is unimportant. But for the speaker in the video, he is only terrified of death as a final judgment. His fear overwhelms him and he misses the basic idea of salvation as being beyond death. When he started ranting I stopped watching.
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Post by greatestiam on Mar 29, 2019 0:00:20 GMT
Who has more control of our thinking; God or Satan? I don’t know what God or Satan’s game is, but God giving Satan dominion over our political/physical realm as well as the power to deceive our spiritual/religious realm in us all seems counterintuitive to what a good God would do. It seems like God is giving Satan the advantage, in terms of our ability to think without deception or Satan’s undo interference. Rev12;9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Why did God curse us with Satan and her minions? It cannot be to give us free will as none of us have the free will to never sin. If we did have that, we would have some examples of people who never sinned. On another tangent, scriptures say that God himself put’s lies/deception into his prophets and that he decides who will have faith or not by his doling out grace only to those he has pre-selected and thus denies other the ability to have faith or belief. This biblical contradiction, strangely, refutes all that I put above on Satan. Can Christians clear up this contradiction? Regards DL I see no place in Christian teaching that suggests that faith is pre-selected by God. We are all given the opportunity to be persuaded by fear or to choose faith. As for the video, the speaker claims that it is wrong for God to kill the first-born of Egypt. He thus equates bodily death with disaster, which shows that the speaker is motivated by fear of death in his judgement of the Biblical narrative. (And all else too). Everybody dies. Death is not really the issue, but salvation of the soul upon death is what matters. The circumstance of death is unimportant. But for the speaker in the video, he is only terrified of death as a final judgment. His fear overwhelms him and he misses the basic idea of salvation as being beyond death. When he started ranting I stopped watching.
You attack the messenger who cannot defend himself while ignoring his message.
That does not show a high I.Q. buddy.
As to the pre-selection of those god will favor with his grace, this old O.P. of mine give you the verses. Reading your bible is a good idea.
Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?
Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.
Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.
The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.
If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?
Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?
Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?
I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then the is is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.
Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.
What is your choice of those two options?
Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.
I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.
What do you think is the truth?
Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Mar 29, 2019 0:05:40 GMT
It is interesting question. At the Judgment God spoke strong and full of power. Commanded your full attention. Than came his Devils to test his Judgment. They have been very verbal and influential. But so has God. So in the end it seems you have those who want peace and peaceful laws. Others think it can only be gained through brutality death and hell. So even those of a good faith and religion can find themselves following devils. If not following endorsing there lessons with the mouth.God has more power. He can be heard over all when he wants to. So can Devils. But Gods influence for me has been stronger than a Devils or a group of devils. Yes i have to deal with both single and groups of them. Both are strong. But God is stronger.
That sounds like a lot of lying about things you cannot possibly know. I am willing to give you a benefit of a doubt but you will have to show how you know what you put as a fact.
I hope you are not just quoting a lying preacher.
Regards DL
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Post by prophettom on Mar 29, 2019 2:14:26 GMT
It is interesting question. At the Judgment God spoke strong and full of power. Commanded your full attention. Than came his Devils to test his Judgment. They have been very verbal and influential. But so has God. So in the end it seems you have those who want peace and peaceful laws. Others think it can only be gained through brutality death and hell. So even those of a good faith and religion can find themselves following devils. If not following endorsing there lessons with the mouth.God has more power. He can be heard over all when he wants to. So can Devils. But Gods influence for me has been stronger than a Devils or a group of devils. Yes i have to deal with both single and groups of them. Both are strong. But God is stronger.
That sounds like a lot of lying about things you cannot possibly know. I am willing to give you a benefit of a doubt but you will have to show how you know what you put as a fact.
I hope you are not just quoting a lying preacher.
Regards DL
How can one prove through Documentation when it is gotten by the spoken word of God visions and exposure to Devils? The only proof i can give i have given many times here follow this link it is all there. www.facebook.com/tomas.mccartneyProving the holy books evil is my proof and they all can be proven evil in their laws and sayings. For even things that sound fine and good are weaponized in those books to breed prejudice for things there is no reason to hate over. Saying darn it is acceptable and they will see you holy as a prophet. But say God damn it and they think you a devil al the sudden. But you are not damning anyone it is a expression of surprise or anger. that is all and there is no reason to hate over it
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Post by greatestiam on Mar 29, 2019 13:55:55 GMT
That sounds like a lot of lying about things you cannot possibly know. I am willing to give you a benefit of a doubt but you will have to show how you know what you put as a fact.
I hope you are not just quoting a lying preacher.
Regards DL
How can one prove through Documentation when it is gotten by the spoken word of God visions and exposure to Devils? The only proof i can give i have given many times here follow this link it is all there. www.facebook.com/tomas.mccartneyProving the holy books evil is my proof and they all can be proven evil in their laws and sayings. For even things that sound fine and good are weaponized in those books to breed prejudice for things there is no reason to hate over. Saying darn it is acceptable and they will see you holy as a prophet. But say God damn it and they think you a devil al the sudden. But you are not damning anyone it is a expression of surprise or anger. that is all and there is no reason to hate over it IOW, you were lying and saying things you could not prove.
Even Jesus hated things but if you think god would create hate without a reason, then that is on you.
It shows how little you know of how love creates negative biases and hate against anything that would jeopardize those who are loved.
Hate, IOW, is born from love. Yin must have it's Yang.
Regards DL
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Post by jonbain on Mar 29, 2019 15:35:08 GMT
I see no place in Christian teaching that suggests that faith is pre-selected by God. We are all given the opportunity to be persuaded by fear or to choose faith. As for the video, the speaker claims that it is wrong for God to kill the first-born of Egypt. He thus equates bodily death with disaster, which shows that the speaker is motivated by fear of death in his judgement of the Biblical narrative. (And all else too). Everybody dies. Death is not really the issue, but salvation of the soul upon death is what matters. The circumstance of death is unimportant. But for the speaker in the video, he is only terrified of death as a final judgment. His fear overwhelms him and he misses the basic idea of salvation as being beyond death. When he started ranting I stopped watching.
You attack the messenger who cannot defend himself while ignoring his message.
That does not show a high I.Q. buddy.
As to the pre-selection of those god will favor with his grace, this old O.P. of mine give you the verses. Reading your bible is a good idea.
Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?
Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.
Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.
The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.
If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?
Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?
Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?
I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then the is is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.
Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.
What is your choice of those two options?
Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.
I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.
What do you think is the truth?
Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?
Regards DL
I have read the bible 7 times, and see no place where Jesus says that faith is predetermined. The book of Ecclesiastes, is actually an atheist point of view; thus it is clear, the Bible is not meant to be idol-worshipped, but instead is a collection of philosophical narratives written by several dozen people. God expects us to think for ourselves, not blindly follow the scripts in dogmatic fashion. For instance when Christ says (John 14:12) ."..who believes in me will do greater things than me.." he is certainly telling us that even his teachings are incomplete. I cannot be bothered to watch most videos, because they are normally slow to get to the point, and I can type faster than people talk. And for all I know you expect me to listen to 100 unthinking opinions before they finally get to the point hours later. No thanks! I can certainly read 10x faster than the tedium of a video. If you have a particular verse you'd like to discuss, rather quote it directly. Just bare in mind, that if the old testament was perfect and complete in its own right, then there would be no need for Jesus.
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Post by greatestiam on Mar 29, 2019 16:09:24 GMT
I can certainly read 10x faster than the tedium of a video. If you have a particular verse you'd like to discuss, rather quote it directly. It is in the link but I guess you do not want to discuss it and remain ignorant it.
Regards DL
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Post by prophettom on Mar 30, 2019 0:03:40 GMT
How can one prove through Documentation when it is gotten by the spoken word of God visions and exposure to Devils? The only proof i can give i have given many times here follow this link it is all there. www.facebook.com/tomas.mccartneyProving the holy books evil is my proof and they all can be proven evil in their laws and sayings. For even things that sound fine and good are weaponized in those books to breed prejudice for things there is no reason to hate over. Saying darn it is acceptable and they will see you holy as a prophet. But say God damn it and they think you a devil al the sudden. But you are not damning anyone it is a expression of surprise or anger. that is all and there is no reason to hate over it IOW, you were lying and saying things you could not prove.
Even Jesus hated things but if you think god would create hate without a reason, then that is on you.
It shows how little you know of how love creates negative biases and hate against anything that would jeopardize those who are loved.
Hate, IOW, is born from love. Yin must have it's Yang.
Regards DL DISCIPLINE IS ONE THING ABUSE IS ANOTHER. I PROVED IT ALL HAD YOU READ THE LINK I SHARED I POSTED IT ALL HERE AT ONE POINT AND IT IS PROVEN THERE AS WELL READ THE LINK BEFORE YOU RUN YOUR MOUTH YOU ARE WRONG AND BLIND AND TO ARROGANT TO TAKE THE LESSON YOU NEED MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE YOU BEEN TAUGHT AT THIS TIME IN YOUR LIFE! FOLLOW THE LINK AND READ YOU JUST HAVE NOT CLEARLY READ MY WORKS TO SAY THESE THINGS ABOUT ME. www.facebook.com/tomas.mccartneyGOOD DAY SIR READ THE PAGE AND SAVE YOURSELF
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Post by greatestiam on Mar 30, 2019 0:21:24 GMT
Only the brain dead think a god would condemn all of mankind.
Regards DL
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Post by prophettom on Mar 30, 2019 4:30:35 GMT
Only the brain dead think a god would condemn all of mankind. Regards DL Agreed marked in the beast is not good. But all that really happens is you get taught the truth and then you have whatever emotion you have from knowing you are betrayed and lied to. Worst yet that it is so easy to see but they do not.
This is Hell it only gets better once you clear it
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Post by greatestiam on Mar 30, 2019 16:17:29 GMT
Only the brain dead think a god would condemn all of mankind. Regards DL Agreed marked in the beast is not good. But all that really happens is you get taught the truth and then you have whatever emotion you have from knowing you are betrayed and lied to. Worst yet that it is so easy to see but they do not.
This is Hell it only gets better once you clear it
You call here hell, while Jesus and I call it heaven.
It seems that you should follow our better thinking.
We have been taught properly while you are fighting with your teachers.
Faith is not wanting to know the truth.
Regards DL
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Post by prophettom on Mar 30, 2019 19:37:22 GMT
Agreed marked in the beast is not good. But all that really happens is you get taught the truth and then you have whatever emotion you have from knowing you are betrayed and lied to. Worst yet that it is so easy to see but they do not.
This is Hell it only gets better once you clear it
You call here hell, while Jesus and I call it heaven.
It seems that you should follow our better thinking.
We have been taught properly while you are fighting with your teachers.
Faith is not wanting to know the truth.
Regards DL Oh i see whats going on here now. You too are marked in the beast! If you call this heaven you are a fallen and can only be happy when abusing men. But nah you just don't think he fell and was a beasts prophet. But he was. You are not going to get out of it.
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