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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 31, 2018 20:54:49 GMT
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 31, 2018 21:09:27 GMT
Please, tell briefly, what is going on there?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 31, 2018 22:59:32 GMT
Please, tell briefly, what is going on there? The article claims the ruling political party in China is raiding and demolishing churches in a province with one of the largest Christian populations in the country. One particular church was ordered by Chinese officials "to remove a cross, a Bible verse and a painting of the Last Supper off the wall". It claims Chinese officials have "shut down hundreds of Christian house churches, prevented children from attending church in some areas, urged Christians in one location to replace posters of Jesus with pictures of President Xi Jinping, and raided church meetings and interrogated hundreds of Christians". Some Christians have been forced to meet in public places and "look more like a family that are here to chat and drink tea so no one will report (them) to the police". According to the Associated Press, experts said President Xi is “waging the most severe systematic suppression of Christianity in the country since religious freedom was written into the Chinese constitution in 1982.” |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 1, 2019 14:27:24 GMT
Please, tell briefly, what is going on there? The article claims the ruling political party in China is raiding and demolishing churches in a province with one of the largest Christian populations in the country. One particular church was ordered by Chinese officials "to remove a cross, a Bible verse and a painting of the Last Supper off the wall". It claims Chinese officials have "shut down hundreds of Christian house churches, prevented children from attending church in some areas, urged Christians in one location to replace posters of Jesus with pictures of President Xi Jinping, and raided church meetings and interrogated hundreds of Christians". Some Christians have been forced to meet in public places and "look more like a family that are here to chat and drink tea so no one will report (them) to the police". According to the Associated Press, experts said President Xi is “waging the most severe systematic suppression of Christianity in the country since religious freedom was written into the Chinese constitution in 1982.” Thanks a lot. This isn't going to be good. I don't like an appearance of such anti-Christian force for the time being, because I think it belongs to some organizations which are against of Christianity. In Ukraine there are some pressure on the Christian churches, because they are being tried to be nationalized and get them more government ruled. I mean govt takes control over the churches now. The same in Russia, but it doesn't seem an equal pressure, because during the history in Russia the Christian church and the govt have been working together. In West Europe and Scandinavian countries we can be watchers of ruining Christianity either with propaganda of the ruining force of Christian morality (and the fruits of neoliberal identity, etc), or by mass of Muslims which are against of celebrating X-mas and many other things. We can't find examples of Christianity under some pressure in Singapore, or some other countries in Oceania. These signs are not new, and however it doesn't mean that we needn't do nothing, or be a passive observers of the facts of deleting Christianity for the surface of our beloved planet! How dare they intended to raise their hands upon Christianity! They must be stopped at all costs! Get grab our spikes and shields! We're going for crucial raids! |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 1, 2019 18:39:39 GMT
The article claims the ruling political party in China is raiding and demolishing churches in a province with one of the largest Christian populations in the country. One particular church was ordered by Chinese officials "to remove a cross, a Bible verse and a painting of the Last Supper off the wall". It claims Chinese officials have "shut down hundreds of Christian house churches, prevented children from attending church in some areas, urged Christians in one location to replace posters of Jesus with pictures of President Xi Jinping, and raided church meetings and interrogated hundreds of Christians". Some Christians have been forced to meet in public places and "look more like a family that are here to chat and drink tea so no one will report (them) to the police". According to the Associated Press, experts said President Xi is “waging the most severe systematic suppression of Christianity in the country since religious freedom was written into the Chinese constitution in 1982.” Thanks a lot. This isn't going to be good. I don't like an appearance of such anti-Christian force for the time being, because I think it belongs to some organizations which are against of Christianity. In Ukraine there are some pressure on the Christian churches, because they are being tried to be nationalized and get them more government ruled. I mean govt takes control over the churches now. The same in Russia, but it doesn't seem an equal pressure, because during the history in Russia the Christian church and the govt have been working together. In West Europe and Scandinavian countries we can be watchers of ruining Christianity either with propaganda of the ruining force of Christian morality (and the fruits of neoliberal identity, etc), or by mass of Muslims which are against of celebrating X-mas and many other things. We can't find examples of Christianity under some pressure in Singapore, or some other countries in Oceania. These signs are not new, and however it doesn't mean that we needn't do nothing, or be a passive observers of the facts of deleting Christianity for the surface of our beloved planet! How dare they intended to raise their hands upon Christianity! They must be stopped at all costs! Get grab our spikes and shields! We're going for crucial raids! There must be a power that will put China in order . This country has great prospects in the future. The problem is that some people (power)in China view Christianity as part of the Western world, but this is not quite the case( I mean the modern Western world) Communism itself is a Western philosophy( Marx and Engels) Although the Chinese have always sought to be separate from all. They are the center of civilization-all the other barbarians. They must abandon this philosophy because of its Western origin! But as I wrote above should be a force that will lead them in the right order. This video will explain the situation better : |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 1, 2019 19:17:50 GMT
Thanks a lot. This isn't going to be good. I don't like an appearance of such anti-Christian force for the time being, because I think it belongs to some organizations which are against of Christianity. In Ukraine there are some pressure on the Christian churches, because they are being tried to be nationalized and get them more government ruled. I mean govt takes control over the churches now. The same in Russia, but it doesn't seem an equal pressure, because during the history in Russia the Christian church and the govt have been working together. In West Europe and Scandinavian countries we can be watchers of ruining Christianity either with propaganda of the ruining force of Christian morality (and the fruits of neoliberal identity, etc), or by mass of Muslims which are against of celebrating X-mas and many other things. We can't find examples of Christianity under some pressure in Singapore, or some other countries in Oceania. These signs are not new, and however it doesn't mean that we needn't do nothing, or be a passive observers of the facts of deleting Christianity for the surface of our beloved planet! How dare they intended to raise their hands upon Christianity! They must be stopped at all costs! Get grab our spikes and shields! We're going for crucial raids! There must be a power that will put China in order . This country has great prospects in the future. The problem is that some people (power)in China view Christianity as part of the Western world, but this is not quite the case( I mean the modern Western world) Communism itself is a Western philosophy( Marx and Engels) Although the Chinese have always sought to be separate from all. They are the center of civilization-all the other barbarians. They must abandon this philosophy because of its Western origin! But as I wrote above should be a force that will lead them in the right order. This video will explain the situation better : Yes, precisely, I agree that. This is not a truly and sincere step of China to tear&torn Christianity legacy. Christianity was never up to it. I don't understand why so many pressure today against Christianity. I even know not less atheists who holds up the view that even if Christianity is not the correct vision of the world, it has many potential inside it, and it is a good historical example of the one of the great view in history. I haven't seen Dugin's video yet, I'll do it a bit later, but I think that I'll see something that corresponds to the position I uttered. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 2, 2019 4:40:24 GMT
They just want full power and for people to follow them only. I say this because...
Seems like they don't know Christians. We only worship God not presidents or jins or pings whatever his name is. Shrug
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Post by AmericanCharm on Jan 2, 2019 4:44:10 GMT
They are also very much against Islam and Muslims themselves, from what I’ve read even more so than they are anti Christian. I support China’s right to keep Semitic religious influence out of their country. They have a culture and society that they strive towards, that doesn’t include foreign religious influences. I wish Europeans had this mind set from the beginning.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jan 2, 2019 5:37:25 GMT
They are also very much against Islam and Muslims themselves, from what I’ve read even more so than they are anti Christian. I support China’s right to keep Semitic religious influence out of their country. They have a culture and society that they strive towards, that doesn’t include foreign religious influences. I wish Europeans had this mind set from the beginning. Do you think what China is doing is justified only because they have something they want to strive toward? |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 2, 2019 6:03:48 GMT
They are also very much against Islam and Muslims themselves, from what I’ve read even more so than they are anti Christian. I support China’s right to keep Semitic religious influence out of their country. They have a culture and society that they strive towards, that doesn’t include foreign religious influences. I wish Europeans had this mind set from the beginning. Isn't that against religious freedom? I think anyone who's not religious would mind a country enforcing a religion on people even if it's not a foreign one. Like Romeo's country is Catholic I believe but he refuses to follow it. That's good that he has a choice I think. Shrug |
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Post by AmericanCharm on Jan 2, 2019 6:18:32 GMT
They are also very much against Islam and Muslims themselves, from what I’ve read even more so than they are anti Christian. I support China’s right to keep Semitic religious influence out of their country. They have a culture and society that they strive towards, that doesn’t include foreign religious influences. I wish Europeans had this mind set from the beginning. Do you think what China is doing is justified only because they have something they want to strive toward? Yes. |
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Post by AmericanCharm on Jan 2, 2019 6:20:24 GMT
They are also very much against Islam and Muslims themselves, from what I’ve read even more so than they are anti Christian. I support China’s right to keep Semitic religious influence out of their country. They have a culture and society that they strive towards, that doesn’t include foreign religious influences. I wish Europeans had this mind set from the beginning. Isn't that against religious freedom? I think anyone who's not religious would mind a country enforcing a religion on people even if it's not a foreign one. Like Romeo's country is Catholic I believe but he refuses to follow it. That's good that he has a choice I think.  I believe both secular states and non religious/atheist states should exist. I’d rather a non religious state like China exist than an Islamic theocracy which do exist. Me personally, if I ran my own country I would not allow religious freedom. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 2, 2019 6:44:33 GMT
Isn't that against religious freedom? I think anyone who's not religious would mind a country enforcing a religion on people even if it's not a foreign one. Like Romeo's country is Catholic I believe but he refuses to follow it. That's good that he has a choice I think. I believe both secular states and non religious/atheist states should exist. I’d rather a non religious state like China exist than an Islamic theocracy which do exist. Me personally, if I ran my own country I would not allow religious freedom. Interesting thought. Yeah I would take a nonreligious country over a country that has some crazy bad religion. I really don't think the world needs so many religions or denomations. Like Christianity has a bunch of denominations which is stupid and confusing. It should just be one thing and anything different is a whole new religion. Different religions/various of one need to shrink down not expand so we get left with descent folks who don't push or shove with their beliefs and live in peace amongs each other. |
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Jan 2, 2019 7:28:57 GMT
Chinese do the same thing to their Muslim ethnic groups.See Xinjiang re-education campsYeah, it look likes a harsh assimilation system. But maybe Chinese don't want to repeat grave mistakes of other peoples and countries. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 2, 2019 8:49:23 GMT
Doesn't making friendship with certain cultural spheres mean the politic that bases on authority? In this case they aren't far from the big political force and they're about to suit a huge dominant position in the world. The next will be expropriation of territory, which means to take lands from nearest sides of Russia and Kazakhstan, and also taking part in the war. To hold yourself as a big huge country requires a war initiation.
So, why is the point of making such friendship that has been building so much time? It's not an act toward globalized relationship, bur 'd rather to alienating.
It doesn't seem to be healthy decision as long as they've started to suspect certain countries in espionage or kinda. I think that their decision to take out the influence of Semitic religious isn't bad at all, but it automatically means a lack of religious freedom (as Elizabeth said it above).
There should be more loyal methods to stop spreading of any kind of non-native religious influence in China. They have right in their project of religious purifying, but it mustn't become a crucial riding, because any crucial riding comes from Europe.
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