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Post by outlier on Nov 12, 2018 4:10:12 GMT
I've just started my degree in computer science (majoring in data science), and was wondering if there were any other members here who are/have done the same? So far all is going well and I'm finding it quite interesting, but I have no idea how long that will last. All previous study has ended in me wanting to drop everything and restart.
Anything to help me get through the next 3 years.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 12, 2018 4:50:38 GMT
A bachelors degree is 4 years here in the USA and I was majoring in 2 areas of study. So it is difficult, I understand you. Just pace yourself and remember there are breaks and holidays during the 3 years. You've been in school much longer than 3 years before already. You can do this!  Focus on that graduation day! |
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Post by outlier on Nov 12, 2018 5:41:19 GMT
A bachelors degree is 4 years here in the USA and I was majoring in 2 areas of study. So it is difficult, I understand you. Just pace yourself and remember there are breaks and holidays during the 3 years. You've been in school much longer than 3 years before already. You can do this! Focus on that graduation day! Glad I'm not studying in the US then! 3 years is more than enough for my liking. I've always disliked institutionalised education, but seems like the only way to prove yourself these days. Thanks for your support though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 6:46:51 GMT
I have done post graduate diploma from university of edinburgh, before that, i did my bachelors in IT from india. Considering the job scenarios here in India, it's not good, because there are no CORE JOBS for my field, and most of the jobs are in outsourcing business. But I believe, you are in USA, so you would have cutting edge opportunities, because american startups and industries are very well developed. Also, in data science, you need to choose some specialisation, like neuroscience or bioinformatics. If you are looking for industrial data science, then, you need to work more on your programming skills with SQL, Python, C++, Numpy, Scipy. Hope this helps |
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Post by fschmidt on Nov 12, 2018 11:14:46 GMT
God help you. Academic computer science will teach you to write horrible code. Just remember that almost all developments (in computer science and everything else) since 2000 are horrible. Read old books and old code to see how programming should be done. If you know java, you could also look at my code.
I couldn't stand university because they taught insanity. My solution was to smoke a lot of marijuana to decrease critical thinking. This greatly helped my grades.
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Post by outlier on Nov 12, 2018 23:14:13 GMT
God help you. Academic computer science will teach you to write horrible code. Just remember that almost all developments (in computer science and everything else) since 2000 are horrible. Read old books and old code to see how programming should be done. If you know java, you could also look at my code. I couldn't stand university because they taught insanity. My solution was to smoke a lot of marijuana to decrease critical thinking. This greatly helped my grades. Makes me wonder why I'm even bothering getting a degree for it then... Should I just self teach myself with the older books and code, and just try and prove myself some other way? I've been doing a year and a bit already for another university course, and trust me - I'd be out of that place in a flash if it wasn't a "requirement" these days. |
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Post by fschmidt on Nov 13, 2018 6:27:45 GMT
Makes me wonder why I'm even bothering getting a degree for it then... Should I just self teach myself with the older books and code, and just try and prove myself some other way? I've been doing a year and a bit already for another university course, and trust me - I'd be out of that place in a flash if it wasn't a "requirement" these days. The main purpose of a degree is to get a job. In a normal job, they won't care about code quality. So if you want a job, get your degree. You are new here, so you probably don't know my full view. I view modern culture as pure evil which hates everything that is good and loves everything that is bad. So if you write good code, or make good art or good music or good architecture, then modern culture will hate you. Modern culture is rich because older Western culture was good and produced a lot of wealth. But modern culture is working hard to destroy that wealth. But for now, that is where the money is. So you have to choose between money and goodness. |
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Post by outlier on Nov 13, 2018 6:37:46 GMT
Makes me wonder why I'm even bothering getting a degree for it then... Should I just self teach myself with the older books and code, and just try and prove myself some other way? I've been doing a year and a bit already for another university course, and trust me - I'd be out of that place in a flash if it wasn't a "requirement" these days. The main purpose of a degree is to get a job. In a normal job, they won't care about code quality. So if you want a job, get your degree. You are new here, so you probably don't know my full view. I view modern culture as pure evil which hates everything that is good and loves everything that is bad. So if you write good code, or make good art or good music or good architecture, then modern culture will hate you. Modern culture is rich because older Western culture was good and produced a lot of wealth. But modern culture is working hard to destroy that wealth. But for now, that is where the money is. So you have to choose between money and goodness. I actually couldn't agree with you more on that. I find music to be a particularly obvious example of what you describe, hence why most of the music I listen to nowadays was created ages ago. As for my CS degree, I'm not really getting it for employment reasons, merely just to use as an answer to the all too common question, "So what are you doing?" It's a difficult situation, and I'm doubting whether or not I've chosen the best option to take. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 7:40:05 GMT
Industry treats coders as workers, where as in reality, coding is an art, an intellectual art. There are amazing hackers like Zed Shaw, who has ripped of all these industry thinking.
To be honest, even I was pissed off with the kind of job I was getting into. So I quit my job, fought at home, went to UK, learned a bit about AI and all, and then, prepared topics which I loved, and now, I teach programming to graduates.
But yeah, I agree with fschmidt, that modern culture is indeed very evil, and goal is to make skills as commodity, and treat thinkers as workers.
Process of industrialization.
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Nov 13, 2018 7:46:08 GMT
The main purpose of a degree is to get a job. In a normal job, they won't care about code quality. So if you want a job, get your degree. You are new here, so you probably don't know my full view. I view modern culture as pure evil which hates everything that is good and loves everything that is bad. So if you write good code, or make good art or good music or good architecture, then modern culture will hate you. Modern culture is rich because older Western culture was good and produced a lot of wealth. But modern culture is working hard to destroy that wealth. But for now, that is where the money is. So you have to choose between money and goodness. I actually couldn't agree with you more on that. I find music to be a particularly obvious example of what you describe, hence why most of the music I listen to nowadays was created ages ago. As for my CS degree, I'm not really getting it for employment reasons, merely just to use as an answer to the all too common question, "So what are you doing?" It's a difficult situation, and I'm doubting whether or not I've chosen the best option to take. If you enjoy problem-solving, then stay with it. Be weary that you will spend hours on finding "that one bug" multiple times, but if you don't give up you'll be fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 8:16:11 GMT
I actually couldn't agree with you more on that. I find music to be a particularly obvious example of what you describe, hence why most of the music I listen to nowadays was created ages ago. As for my CS degree, I'm not really getting it for employment reasons, merely just to use as an answer to the all too common question, "So what are you doing?" It's a difficult situation, and I'm doubting whether or not I've chosen the best option to take. . Be weary that you will spend hours on finding "that one bug" multiple times, but if you don't give up you'll be fine.
agreed, computer science has it's own mathematics, but when it comes to the industrial job, there's that science missing.
It's a business application, which needs to be debugged, and more often than not, it would be connected with a database, and that's not operating.
I call such jobs vocational, and according to me, these jobs don't require computer science degree.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 11:37:10 GMT
I would suggest you to focus on Python programming, because, Python programmers would eventually have to learn CPYTHON, which would mean C Programming, from that, transition to C++ and then microsoft, google etc.
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Post by outlier on Nov 13, 2018 20:42:39 GMT
I would suggest you to focus on Python programming, because, Python programmers would eventually have to learn CPYTHON, which would mean C Programming, from that, transition to C++ and then microsoft, google etc. Thankfully that's what I'm learning. Seems like Python is very useful to know these days. Thanks for explaining it further, too. Hopefully I make it far enough to learn CPYTHON and all that comes after. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 12:01:09 GMT
I would suggest you to focus on Python programming, because, Python programmers would eventually have to learn CPYTHON, which would mean C Programming, from that, transition to C++ and then microsoft, google etc. Thankfully that's what I'm learning. Seems like Python is very useful to know these days. Thanks for explaining it further, too. Hopefully I make it far enough to learn CPYTHON and all that comes after. You can listen to these lectures on CPython by Philip Guo
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Post by outlier on Nov 14, 2018 21:45:05 GMT
Thankfully that's what I'm learning. Seems like Python is very useful to know these days. Thanks for explaining it further, too. Hopefully I make it far enough to learn CPYTHON and all that comes after. You can listen to these lectures on CPython by Philip Guo
Thanks! Those videos will be very helpful. |
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