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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 23, 2018 5:30:00 GMT
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 24, 2018 1:26:33 GMT
First of all, Mr. be sincere about yourself. Even if Madison was not a Freemason his environment did it. Thus Freedom of religion in the United States has no Christian roots. You say that I have extreme views but it is clear that you had no contact before with people from Eastern Europe and don't know the local style( but the guy here want to preach. ) You are prejudiced to this law I wrote in topic that many neo-Protestant Church over this law and them permitted to preach. This law is much softer than the law on foreign agents that are in the United States. Do you understand that the political situation between the United States and Russia forced the Kremlin to such laws? Even if you don't understand it, you're playing one ball with the American political reality, even if you're against to this reality. * So? You should know not all protestants are the same. Not even all orthodox christians are the same.
Not an argument. Practice shows that they have the same manuals. You know what the manuals are?This is what gives the sects of their preachers how to behave in another country, other culture. Practice shows that they are the same! Even on this forum you act like You been reading such manuals. You must be under the impression that I support everything my government does, which is a false impression. I've expressed on this forum many times that I do not like the things my government does. These do not apply to me personally. You do not understand my position... OR, you do and only care to misrepresent my position in order to discredit me which is intentional maliciousness and disingenuous. Either way, the discussion will not continue if you continue to do it. Make your choice.*About it I already wrote that you are consciously playing with them in the same field. I'm but it's true. I'm not attacking your biblical position.I'm just making remarks that it has no historical justification in practice. In any case, this is your conscious choice. As for the shooting. You probably do not know that the majority of shooting in Russia in Muslim regions? en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate&oldid=855201239Back to topic. Your problem is that somewhere in the world there is no such freedom as you in America. But the children of Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan will tell your world's freest political system Thanks(which you praise) for depriving their parents&=? By their fruits you will know them. Do men gather from thorns grapes, or from thistles figs? Mf. 7: 16.That is why some people do not justify such a liberal approach to religion. As for Putin. I've read a lot of criticism about him in this thread, but he also has signs of liberalism, even if his political opponents exist contrary to such a "terrible" law + many foreign Protestant Churches have been registered. A decent person should be happy that somewhere this are banned 'Orthodox' Zionists pastor Zhuravlev and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Community_ChurchI've been sincere about myself. You've only made assumptions about me based on generalizations and even to this day continue to do it. Freedom of religion does have Christian roots.. do you not believe in freedom of choice? Do you believe Adam and Eve chose to sin or do you think they were made to sin? Didn't Christ tell us in Luke 9 to wipe the dust from our feet if someone does not receive us thus leaving them to their own devices? Is that not freedom to choose what you want to believe? Hmm, well, the Ukrainian government did support a warmongering John McCain, so I supposed it shouldn't be a surprise that you are so radically right, so far radically right that you, and apparently some of your countrymen, do not support certain God given freedoms. You seem to be confused. I am not interested in the politics AT ALL. I am only interested in the spreading of gospel, which the Russian law restricts considerably. The spreading of the gospel is not restricted here in the US the same way it is in Russia. This isn't a political discussion. It is in the Christianity section, not the politics section. It wasn't supposed to be an argument. It was a statement otherwise saying, as far as freedom of religion goes, it does not matter what a protestant branch does. They have that freedom, it is God given. God does not force people do it His way. If He did, we wouldn't having this discussion right now. I do not have the same practices as the Catholic church. Do not accuse me of such things, especially when many of the doctrines of the Orthodox church are exactly the same as the Catholic church. I have no knowledge of any such manuals, the only book I read from is the Bible. My historical justification for my practices are laid out in the Bible. The Bible is where I get my doctrine. I do not subscribe to any denominational doctrine, only Biblical doctrine. That same cannot be said for you. You did not understand what I said about homicides in Russia and the US. I was not talking about shootings. I was talking about the murder rate in each country, that in Russia the homicide rate is higher than the US even though the US has a higher population and more guns per person. Hence, obviously, guns are not the issue, people are the issue, and with that said more people are killing each other in Russia than in the US. I DO NOT PRAISE OR SUPPORT MY GOVERNMENT OR ITS ACTIONS. I'VE MADE THAT CLEAR MANY TIMES. If you misrepresent my position one more time, the discussion is over. Do you understand?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 3:41:24 GMT
I wasn't going to interfere with this my Queen but I'll just say that the problem is exaggerated..you just insult your vassal! What is vassal? Because we just all are entitled to our opinions. Just how it is. That sounds a little entitled to me....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 8:16:48 GMT
I am with you flow . Made me go slap on my face emoji rather than laugh . Flow together flow Kings and Queens always had more power than presidents. So I wish I could put him in prison. Royalty were also allowed to kill anyone they wanted but as a Christian royal I can't kill him so would say prison! nice one !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 8:18:28 GMT
Religious extremism Islamist doin the same in my country. Think they are saving people too . But it has got so miserable for their untrained mind that people aren't being saved but rather religious bloodshed has been created . Muslim go on preaching accept lord as the only savoir . Christian go on preaching accept son of god multiply by 3 ( in some odd ways ) as only saviour . No one gets saved but rather bang head against each other . The funniest thing is, thats the only emphasis and not prompting brotherhood . Brotherhood and love is the only way we are getting saved and not through fairy tales and myths or some book . Book that rather enhances ego and vanity of it's followers rather than promoting the actual message The funny thing is that religion is not the purpose of this law. Just propogandisty can speculate on such subjects in the media to support their political goals. I repeat this law is much softer than the law that the President of Ukraine wants to introduce soon. But the Americans won't complain about him..he is a friend of USA. Agree !
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 24, 2018 9:21:29 GMT
Do you think that your assertion is contrary to what I wrote above? If you are sincere you will reread what I wrote above and will be able to put it together. You don't understand people's mentality. What you see in your state you have it –freedom of religion - when other people who serios appreciate their cultural and historical Christian values it is a sea of temptations! Do You know what will happen to the seducers right? You wrote that even the Orthodox Church in the United States exists because of your freedom. So can only think a materialist, because God gives freedom to the Church not the state. I might be able to better clarify my point, but it's not for your Western view that you're obviously setting as a benchmark. Specifically to the topic: I once again write that I am not a supporter of this law(I wrote about it in the beginning of the topic) but I can certainly see that the liberal party stands in criticism of this legislature. In fact, it does not restrict Christians in Russia(secular state). Even Mormons exist there legally. Explicit scams have been banned but for you there is no difference between preachers and scammers right? If you want to preach, go to the satellite countries of America (Israel,Arabia). Not in those countries where there is a Gospel sermon for more than 1000 years. Older than your Constitution, which was clearly written not by Christians
see to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ; for in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily and you are complete in Him, Who is the head of all Principality and power Col. 2:8 It is for those Christians who praise the constitutions of this world
I do not have the same practices as the Catholic church. Do not accuse me of such things, especially when many of the doctrines of the Orthodox church are exactly the same as the Catholic church. I have no knowledge of any such manuals, the only book I read from is the Bible.
Dude you on this forum often referred to information from Protestant sites that are based on such limited information. Your freedom of Protestants is to split the body of Christ into many heresies.
When the apostles preached Christianity was forbidden in the Roman Empire but they did it. Your law-abiding has materialistic roots, not Christian otherwise the apostles would have obeyed the earthly authorities and would not have preached.
P. S Some people thank God for the fact that he protected them from the imaginary freedom of speech.
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Post by flow3 on Sept 24, 2018 12:07:25 GMT
You do know that there is more violence in russia than in America, right? The US has more guns but Russia has more murders.You probably live on another planet Mister! www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=167ae6a2bb104ec7add07f8bf1df4a07If you are not an agent and do not work neocons you have nothing to fear! What kind of preachers suffered from this law? Sergei Zhuravlyov, a Ukrainian Reformed Orthodox Church of Christ representative, was arrested for engaging in preaching in St. Petersburg; and Ebenezer Tuah of Ghana, the leader of the Christ Embassy church, was arrested and fined 50,000 rubles for conducting baptisms at a sanatorium.[22]
On 9 July 2016, Jim Mulcahy, a 72-year-old American pastor who is the Eastern European coordinator for the U.S.-based Metropolitan Community Church, was arrested and deported under the prohibition of missionary activities at non-religious sites, after advertising and holding a "tea party" in Samara with an LGBT group. Authorities had targeted Mulcahy under suspicions that he was planning to organize a same-sex wedding.
What you call Religious freedom is liberalism. So the Church of Satan exists in your state! This Russian man in search of God came to the Protestant community and studied Protestant preaching courses! All the arguments the validity of Protestantism trained there leading examples with Catholicism. Not a word about other Christians. Like Protestantism and Catholicism(Pope) 2 main faiths. For me from the point of view of the historian man it is absurd. This is a typical Western misconception that is based on Western propaganda techniques. What does this mean for Russia?For Russia, the state with 1000 history, which has always been an Orthodox State, it means a substitution of values. Where were your Baptist preachers in the 9th century when Prince Vladimir baptized Russia? Where were you in the era of the Tatar-Mongol invasion of in the era of Western crusaders who went to Russia to preach the faith in the Pope? The Orthodox Church has the experience of great evangelists who preached even to native Americans, whose experience of piety and humility is not available to American missionaries. Do you know who before the events of 1917 had have the largest number of preachers in the world? Do you know when Protestantism became popular in Russia(in Ukraine too) in the era of Leninist persecution of the Orthodox Church. When the Church was forbidden to preach outside the temple emerged as a result of the movement of Stundists (Slavic evangelicals). In the era of Russian liberalism there were similar currents Molokans and others. Christ said I'm with you all the days till the end of the age. Amen! Mf. 28: 20.
He didn't tell us that he would come in Luther's time or in the 21st century in our time. He said he'd be with the Church all the Time! What about the popularity of various neo-Protestant teachers Scripture says about this: 3For the time will come when sound doctrine will not, but after their own lusts will choose their teachers, who have flattered ears; 4 and from the truth turn away their ears and turn aside to myths.The second message to Timothy Chapter 4: 3 On this forum there is themes which have relations to this subject: arktos.boards.net/thread/2457/america-cause-world-todayarktos.boards.net/thread/123/warmonger-police-statearktos.boards.net/thread/140/wests-quest-save-world-degeneracy?page=1&scrollTo=595Applies to you personally, it makes me that you are subjected to stereotypical Western views.This is evident by the fact that you write. No, I will show you the statistics. US Homicides(any method) 2015: 17,525
2014: 15,625
2013: 15,863
2012: 16,443
2011: 16,010
2010: 16,008US Total Population has been just over 300 million over these 5 years. Russian Homicides(any method) 2015: 16,232 2014: 17,414
2013: 18,464
2012: 19,881
2011: 21,506
2010: 22,897Russian population has been just under 150 million over these 5 years. What do these numbers mean? That the homicide rate in Russia is higher. Moving forward... The amount of firearms per 100 people in the US is 120.50 The amount of firearms per 100 people in Russia is 12.30 There are only a tenth of the amount of guns per person in Russia yet the homicide rate is considerably higher. Russia has less than half the population the US does but has the same amount, or more sometimes, homicides as the US. I think it may be you who is living on another planet, Mars? Jupiter? Pluto? Which one? There's 8 to choose from besides earth Wrong. I explain religious freedom in a separate post. Foreign preachers suffer from the law as is pointed out in the article. Looks as if there is no religious freedom in Russia. I am not in support of this action, but it is against religious freedom nonetheless. I understand that gay marriage is illegal in Russia, which I support. Though, a government cannot prevent anyone from getting married, whether the government recognizes the marriage or not. Absolutely not. It is the same religious freedom that allows orthodox churches to be established here in the US. So? You should know not all protestants are the same. Not even all orthodox christians are the same. How should I know? Why should I care? Not all baptists believe the same things or subscribe to biblical doctrines. This is a misrepresentation of my position that you are attacking. Do not be disingenuous please or the discussion will not continue. What about them? I'm not neo-protestant. You continue to misrepresent my position and attack the misrepresentation. This is why I do not respond to you most of the time. You must be under the impression that I support everything my government does, which is a false impression. I've expressed on this forum many times that I do not like the things my government does. These do not apply to me personally. You do not understand my position... OR, you do and only care to misrepresent my position in order to discredit me which is intentional maliciousness and disingenuous. Either way, the discussion will not continue if you continue to do it. Make your choice. All that tells me is Russia shows downward trend and USA shows upward, and gun regulation is more strict in Russia. Seems like all is good.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 24, 2018 13:33:43 GMT
All that tells me is Russia shows downward trend and USA shows upward, and gun regulation is more strict in Russia. Seems like all is good. In America, people live in megacities and in Megapolis. There are several millions people. In Russia, many settlements do not have 100,000 inhabitants. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 24, 2018 14:09:51 GMT
No, I will show you the statistics. US Homicides(any method) 2015: 17,525
2014: 15,625
2013: 15,863
2012: 16,443
2011: 16,010
2010: 16,008US Total Population has been just over 300 million over these 5 years. Russian Homicides(any method) 2015: 16,232 2014: 17,414
2013: 18,464
2012: 19,881
2011: 21,506
2010: 22,897Russian population has been just under 150 million over these 5 years. What do these numbers mean? That the homicide rate in Russia is higher. Moving forward... The amount of firearms per 100 people in the US is 120.50 The amount of firearms per 100 people in Russia is 12.30 There are only a tenth of the amount of guns per person in Russia yet the homicide rate is considerably higher. Russia has less than half the population the US does but has the same amount, or more sometimes, homicides as the US. I think it may be you who is living on another planet, Mars? Jupiter? Pluto? Which one? There's 8 to choose from besides earth Wrong. I explain religious freedom in a separate post. Foreign preachers suffer from the law as is pointed out in the article. Looks as if there is no religious freedom in Russia. I am not in support of this action, but it is against religious freedom nonetheless. I understand that gay marriage is illegal in Russia, which I support. Though, a government cannot prevent anyone from getting married, whether the government recognizes the marriage or not. Absolutely not. It is the same religious freedom that allows orthodox churches to be established here in the US. So? You should know not all protestants are the same. Not even all orthodox christians are the same. How should I know? Why should I care? Not all baptists believe the same things or subscribe to biblical doctrines. This is a misrepresentation of my position that you are attacking. Do not be disingenuous please or the discussion will not continue. What about them? I'm not neo-protestant. You continue to misrepresent my position and attack the misrepresentation. This is why I do not respond to you most of the time. You must be under the impression that I support everything my government does, which is a false impression. I've expressed on this forum many times that I do not like the things my government does. These do not apply to me personally. You do not understand my position... OR, you do and only care to misrepresent my position in order to discredit me which is intentional maliciousness and disingenuous. Either way, the discussion will not continue if you continue to do it. Make your choice. All that tells me is Russia shows downward trend and USA shows upward, and gun regulation is more strict in Russia. Seems like all is good. you’d have to prove that it was because of gun regulation was the reason for the downward trend for one, good luck with that. If it doesn’t show you that Russia murder rate is much higher than the US then you’re blind shrug
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 24, 2018 14:11:34 GMT
All that tells me is Russia shows downward trend and USA shows upward, and gun regulation is more strict in Russia. Seems like all is good. In America, people live in megacities and in Megapolis. There are several millions people. In Russia, many settlements do not have 100,000 inhabitants. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rateThat means it’s even worse than previously thought.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 24, 2018 14:18:51 GMT
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 24, 2018 14:43:20 GMT
dKTRAV probably thinks that my knowledge is limited to some resources .. when I prefer a lot of resources on a particular topic. When there is no Session, I can afford to study different events. he probably forgot about this topic and as always takes only his position (as he admitted to me in July of this year)
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Post by flow3 on Sept 24, 2018 15:08:44 GMT
All that tells me is Russia shows downward trend and USA shows upward, and gun regulation is more strict in Russia. Seems like all is good. you’d have to prove that it was because of gun regulation was the reason for the downward trend for one, good luck with that. If it doesn’t show you that Russia murder rate is much higher than the US then you’re blind You wanna see the ruins, my friend?
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