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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 11:27:09 GMT
Dk wrote the following:
The Bible gives us examples of how baptism works and how someone is supposed to be baptized. Acts 8 for a good example,
Acts 8:27-40
27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
Clearly, one must believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God before they can be baptized according to this passage. How then can an infant, who has no bearing on it's own consciousness, believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? It cannot.
Can anyone show an example, from the scriptures, where an infant is baptized?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 18, 2018 11:43:10 GMT
Most of the arguments in favor of this I left in the previous thread. Historically, child mortality has always been high! We repeatedly read about the baptism of not only a particular person, but also people close to him: "Stephen's house" (1 Cor. 1,16), Lydia and "her house" (acts. 16,15), a prison guard and "all [his] household" (acts. 16,33); the head of the synagogue of Crispus "with all his house" (acts. 18.8 in) and, perhaps, of Cornelius the centurion ("thou shalt be saved and thy house", acts. 11.14). The concept of "house" (oikos) in the Jewish and Greco-Roman environment of that era included the father and mother of the family, their children, living together with their relatives and even servants. We see that the expression "he and (all) his house" is already widespread in the Old Testament. Saul promises Ahimelech that he and his "whole father's house" will die, and then "both men and women, and young men and babies" (1 Sam. 22,16.19), i.e. destroyed all posterity. Pharaoh allows Joseph's brothers to take their father and their "homes" to Egypt (Gen. 45,18), sending Egyptian chariots to transport their "children and wives" (V. 19). The same applies to the cult area: the order of circumcision includes "the whole male sex of the people of the house of Abraham", including the eight-day-old babies(Gen. 17,23). It is obvious that the New Testament concept of "oikos" in the context of baptism is a parallel to the Old Testament ritual language: baptism, like circumcision, is an act of initiation, the entry of a person into the Covenant and a new religious community. Therefore, by analogy, we can conclude that the Church "house" included children.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikos 16. Εβάπτισα δε και τον οίκον του Στεφανά· εκτός τούτων δεν εξεύρω εάν εβάπτισα άλλον τινά. (Προς Κορινθίους Α΄ 1:16) www.bibleonline.ru/bible/ell/53/01/#16Greek Bible www.orthodoxconvert.info/Q-A.php?c=Salvation-Infant%20Baptism orthochristian.com/82448.htmlwww.luterilainen.com/en/read/word-is-the-fountain-of-life/19-infant-baptism-is-based-on-the-bible
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 12:22:44 GMT
Most of the arguments in favor of this I left in the previous thread. Historically, child mortality has always been high! We repeatedly read about the baptism of not only a particular person, but also people close to him: "Stephen's house" (1 Cor. 1,16), Lydia and "her house" (acts. 16,15), a prison guard and "all [his] household" (acts. 16,33); the head of the synagogue of Crispus "with all his house" (acts. 18.8 in) and, perhaps, of Cornelius the centurion ("thou shalt be saved and thy house", acts. 11.14). The concept of "house" (oikos) in the Jewish and Greco-Roman environment of that era included the father and mother of the family, their children, living together with their relatives and even servants. We see that the expression "he and (all) his house" is already widespread in the Old Testament. Saul promises Ahimelech that he and his "whole father's house" will die, and then "both men and women, and young men and babies" (1 Sam. 22,16.19), i.e. destroyed all posterity. Pharaoh allows Joseph's brothers to take their father and their "homes" to Egypt (Gen. 45,18), sending Egyptian chariots to transport their "children and wives" (V. 19). The same applies to the cult area: the order of circumcision includes "the whole male sex of the people of the house of Abraham", including the eight-day-old babies(Gen. 17,23). It is obvious that the New Testament concept of "oikos" in the context of baptism is a parallel to the Old Testament ritual language: baptism, like circumcision, is an act of initiation, the entry of a person into the Covenant and a new religious community. Therefore, by analogy, we can conclude that the Church "house" included children.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikos 16. Εβάπτισα δε και τον οίκον του Στεφανά· εκτός τούτων δεν εξεύρω εάν εβάπτισα άλλον τινά. (Προς Κορινθίους Α΄ 1:16) www.bibleonline.ru/bible/ell/53/01/#16Greek Bible www.orthodoxconvert.info/Q-A.php?c=Salvation-Infant%20Baptism orthochristian.com/82448.htmlwww.luterilainen.com/en/read/word-is-the-fountain-of-life/19-infant-baptism-is-based-on-the-bible , u save your posts
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 18, 2018 12:34:57 GMT
@unknown I just have experience and intuition here. I take screenshots and record information.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 13:03:27 GMT
@unknown I just have experience and intuition here. I take screenshots and record information. "The ways of the diamond"
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