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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 13:45:45 GMT
Just a random question that popped into my mind this morning.
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Post by Tom Lawton on Sept 6, 2018 7:26:09 GMT
It's kind of a messy subject. On the one hand, in the old testament, it's made pretty clear that homosexuality is wrong. In the new testament, not much is said about it. An interesting point is that homosexuality occurs in many other species of mammal, so if God had not intended it to exist it seems odd to create it in other species too. It also depends on how much of the bible you take at face value, particularly the old testament, or if you think that those stories were more used to spread law and teach lessons at the time and aren't necessarily reflective of God's actual will. There's also the issue of what kind of Christianity you follow, where Catholicism tends to be against homosexuality, Anglicans are more likely to be lenient on the issue. There are so many ways of considering it that in my opinion, it's impossible to know.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 6, 2018 7:32:47 GMT
It's kind of a messy subject. On the one hand, in the old testament, it's made pretty clear that homosexuality is wrong. In the new testament, not much is said about it. An interesting point is that homosexuality occurs in many other species of mammal, so if God had not intended it to exist it seems odd to create it in other species too. It also depends on how much of the bible you take at face value, particularly the old testament, or if you think that those stories were more used to spread law and teach lessons at the time and aren't necessarily reflective of God's actual will. There's also the issue of what kind of Christianity you follow, where Catholicism tends to be against homosexuality, Anglicans are more likely to be lenient on the issue. There are so many ways of considering it that in my opinion, it's impossible to know. I don’t mean to be a party pooper, but the Bible says this in the New Testament; Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 If homosexuals cannot inherit the kingdom of God and there’s only heaven and hell, the only other place for them to go is hell.
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Post by Tom Lawton on Sept 6, 2018 7:54:26 GMT
It's kind of a messy subject. On the one hand, in the old testament, it's made pretty clear that homosexuality is wrong. In the new testament, not much is said about it. An interesting point is that homosexuality occurs in many other species of mammal, so if God had not intended it to exist it seems odd to create it in other species too. It also depends on how much of the bible you take at face value, particularly the old testament, or if you think that those stories were more used to spread law and teach lessons at the time and aren't necessarily reflective of God's actual will. There's also the issue of what kind of Christianity you follow, where Catholicism tends to be against homosexuality, Anglicans are more likely to be lenient on the issue. There are so many ways of considering it that in my opinion, it's impossible to know. I don’t mean to be a party pooper, but the Bible says this in the New Testament; Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 If homosexuals cannot inherit the kingdom of God and there’s only heaven and hell, the only other place for them to go is hell. I forgot about that little bit. I think most of my point still stands though. Especially seeing as almost no one would inherit the kingdom of God under those conditions.
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Post by fschmidt on Sept 6, 2018 10:06:03 GMT
Just a random question that popped into my mind this morning. I don't understand the question. I am not gay so why would I go to hell for being gay? Is the question whether people go to hell for being gay?
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 6, 2018 14:10:29 GMT
Just a random question that popped into my mind this morning. I don't understand the question. I am not gay so why would I go to hell for being gay? Is the question whether people go to hell for being gay? I was asking if people would be sent to hell if they were gay.
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Post by fschmidt on Sept 6, 2018 14:34:13 GMT
I was asking if people would be sent to hell if they were gay. Okay, I can give you the Old Testament answer since that is what I follow. First of all, there is no heaven and hell in the Old Testament. The reward for good behavior is societal and evolutionary success. And second, there is actually no condemnation of homosexuality in the Old Testament. Leviticus 18:22 is mistranslated to be against homosexuality, but what the Hebrew really says is "Alongside a male, you shall not have intercourse with a woman; it is an abomination." In other words, 2 men with 1 woman is prohibited. I should write up a full explanation on my website.
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 6, 2018 15:32:51 GMT
I was asking if people would be sent to hell if they were gay. Okay, I can give you the Old Testament answer since that is what I follow. First of all, there is no heaven and hell in the Old Testament. The reward for good behavior is societal and evolutionary success. And second, there is actually no condemnation of homosexuality in the Old Testament. Leviticus 18:22 is mistranslated to be against homosexuality, but what the Hebrew really says is "Alongside a male, you shall not have intercourse with a woman; it is an abomination." In other words, 2 men with 1 woman is prohibited. I should write up a full explanation on my website. Okay, cool to know.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 6, 2018 16:28:35 GMT
I was asking if people would be sent to hell if they were gay. Okay, I can give you the Old Testament answer since that is what I follow. First of all, there is no heaven and hell in the Old Testament. The reward for good behavior is societal and evolutionary success. And second, there is actually no condemnation of homosexuality in the Old Testament. Leviticus 18:22 is mistranslated to be against homosexuality, but what the Hebrew really says is "Alongside a male, you shall not have intercourse with a woman; it is an abomination." In other words, 2 men with 1 woman is prohibited. I should write up a full explanation on my website. Facepalm This belief is not Christian
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 6, 2018 16:41:43 GMT
I don’t mean to be a party pooper, but the Bible says this in the New Testament; Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 If homosexuals cannot inherit the kingdom of God and there’s only heaven and hell, the only other place for them to go is hell. I forgot about that little bit. I think most of my point still stands though. Especially seeing as almost no one would inherit the kingdom of God under those conditions. Most will not inherit the kingdom of God
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Post by Tom Lawton on Sept 6, 2018 20:55:27 GMT
I forgot about that little bit. I think most of my point still stands though. Especially seeing as almost no one would inherit the kingdom of God under those conditions. Most will not inherit the kingdom of God Just out of curiosity which strain of Christianity do you follow?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 6, 2018 21:11:42 GMT
Most will not inherit the kingdom of God Just out of curiosity which strain of Christianity do you follow? I don't follow a strain of Christianity. I follow the Bible.
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Post by Tom Lawton on Sept 7, 2018 0:13:48 GMT
Just out of curiosity which strain of Christianity do you follow? I don't follow a strain of Christianity. I follow the Bible. I see. In that case, do you take the entire bible literally? If not, how do you perceive it?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 7, 2018 2:00:17 GMT
I don't follow a strain of Christianity. I follow the Bible. I see. In that case, do you take the entire bible literally? If not, how do you perceive it? I grand majority of it is literal, there is some metaphor
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 5:04:29 GMT
I see. In that case, do you take the entire bible literally? If not, how do you perceive it? I grand majority of it is literal, there is some metaphor Whar about the feature fschmidt was talking about? I mean he said about misunderstood of translation, and allow of the sin in the Old Testament? So, do we sure that the translations of the New Testament is correct?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 5:06:13 GMT
I was asking if people would be sent to hell if they were gay. Okay, I can give you the Old Testament answer since that is what I follow. First of all, there is no heaven and hell in the Old Testament. The reward for good behavior is societal and evolutionary success. And second, there is actually no condemnation of homosexuality in the Old Testament. Leviticus 18:22 is mistranslated to be against homosexuality, but what the Hebrew really says is "Alongside a male, you shall not have intercourse with a woman; it is an abomination." In other words, 2 men with 1 woman is prohibited. I should write up a full explanation on my website. Correct . In the old test..... Hell or heaven isn't mentioned it was only until later they came up with the new test..... An improved version of controlling people
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