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Post by jonbain on Aug 23, 2018 22:27:03 GMT
And for those who still naively believe that the Bible is infallible, and must always be taken at face value, and not questioned; note that there is an error by one of them in the times. So do you reckon that God just sort of turned off the Sun one morning or afternoon? (whichever it is) I do believe there is a rational explanation, but it pains me to see that many people still cannot accept that there requires an analytical approach to reading the Bible. That some of it has been lost in translation, or metaphors have been taken literally. I will withhold what I believe to be the correct reading until I have seen how others interpret this.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 23, 2018 23:00:54 GMT
Yeah the sun became dark as in stopped giving light. It's like someone turned off the lamp in the room and everything went dark until they turned it back on. That's all Shrug
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 24, 2018 1:11:38 GMT
You think that God isn't powerful enough to block the light of the sun? I am not understanding what you are asking or what the problem is. You are right regarding certain translations saying different things. However if one were to go back to the original Greek one could find out exactly what the time was. I'd trust the modern version over the King James because King James was a little fantastical in his translations translating goats into Satyrs, Aurochs into Unicorns, and snakes and reptiles into Basilisks and Dragons.
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Post by just10sp on Aug 24, 2018 1:11:58 GMT
That’s nothing, when Jesus returns all the stars in the sky will fall from the heavens, meaning they all don’t show their light for a little while!
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 24, 2018 1:15:26 GMT
God created the sun. He can do more than just darken it for a few hours!
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Post by just10sp on Aug 24, 2018 1:16:38 GMT
And for those who still naively believe that the Bible is infallible, and must always be taken at face value, and not questioned; note that there is an error by one of them in the times. So do you reckon that God just sort of turned off the Sun one morning or afternoon? (whichever it is) I do believe there is a rational explanation, but it pains me to see that many people still cannot accept that there requires an analytical approach to reading the Bible. That some of it has been lost in translation, or metaphors have been taken literally. I will withhold what I believe to be the correct reading until I have seen how others interpret this. I would like to hear your say on exactly how it “turned off.”
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 24, 2018 1:29:30 GMT
And for those who still naively believe that the Bible is infallible, and must always be taken at face value, and not questioned; note that there is an error by one of them in the times. So do you reckon that God just sort of turned off the Sun one morning or afternoon? (whichever it is) I do believe there is a rational explanation, but it pains me to see that many people still cannot accept that there requires an analytical approach to reading the Bible. That some of it has been lost in translation, or metaphors have been taken literally. I will withhold what I believe to be the correct reading until I have seen how others interpret this. Looking into the original Greek it seems the King James Bible is surprisingly correct. The words for the time in the original Greek are Hektes which means "sixth" and Enates which means "ninth". When this was, there seems to be a debate because we don't know what time they are using.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 24, 2018 10:38:57 GMT
Yeah the sun became dark as in stopped giving light. It's like someone turned off the lamp in the room and everything went dark until they turned it back on. That's all You think that God isn't powerful enough to block the light of the sun? I am not understanding what you are asking or what the problem is. You are right regarding certain translations saying different things. However if one were to go back to the original Greek one could find out exactly what the time was. I'd trust the modern version over the King James because King James was a little fantastical in his translations translating goats into Satyrs, Aurochs into Unicorns, and snakes and reptiles into Basilisks and Dragons. That’s nothing, when Jesus returns all the stars in the sky will fall from the heavens, meaning they all don’t show their light for a little while! And for those who still naively believe that the Bible is infallible, and must always be taken at face value, and not questioned; note that there is an error by one of them in the times. So do you reckon that God just sort of turned off the Sun one morning or afternoon? (whichever it is) I do believe there is a rational explanation, but it pains me to see that many people still cannot accept that there requires an analytical approach to reading the Bible. That some of it has been lost in translation, or metaphors have been taken literally. I will withhold what I believe to be the correct reading until I have seen how others interpret this. I would like to hear your say on exactly how it “turned off.” Its not that The God could not turn off the Sun. Its that The God has chosen to give us the laws of physics, which perpetuate in such a way that he does not just turn off the Sun. There would have been recordings of this event in all cultures all over the world if it had occurred like this. There was no such event recorded, except in the Bible. So it follows that the Sun simply did not turn off. And yet, what is the reason for the Bible saying it did? Now the reason I am giving does not originate with me; but I have lost the original source. I do recall it was in a book written by an Australian woman. When measuring the length of a year, we typically use a leap-year to compensate for the extra quarter of a day per year. But the Jews used a different method. Instead of adding one day every four years, they subtracted 3 hours every equinox. So the correct translation should read something like: Jesus was crucified at the time when 3 hours was removed from the sun-dial. There was a very precise reason for doing this at the equinox, because an hour on a sun-dial is only precisely 1/12th of the day-time at the equinox. For the rest of the year, 1/12th of the day-time would be longer or shorter than this. As for it occurring at 6am or midday, I am not sure. But this does show that we have to use logic, and we must not simply assume that what is written is not prone to misunderstanding or mis-translation. I do believe that miracles occur. I adhere to the Resurrection. But if reason shows that sometimes people look for miracles where there are none, then this serves to clinically distinguish between what is truly miraculous and what is only the illusion thereof. Its hard enough convinving materialists of the existence of the Soul. So when a false miracle is de-mystified we should embrace this as an opportunity to show that faith is half of reason, and reason is half of faith. We should have faith in reason, for that is the true means to show 'faith through works'.
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Aug 24, 2018 11:05:14 GMT
And for those who still naively believe that the Bible is infallible, and must always be taken at face value, and not questioned; note that there is an error by one of them in the times. So do you reckon that God just sort of turned off the Sun one morning or afternoon? (whichever it is) I do believe there is a rational explanation, but it pains me to see that many people still cannot accept that there requires an analytical approach to reading the Bible. That some of it has been lost in translation, or metaphors have been taken literally. I will withhold what I believe to be the correct reading until I have seen how others interpret this. Probably a bit of both. It might've been a metaphor and the "darkness" may have meant a large quantity of sins- and then got translated weirdly so it seems that it might've been literal. Either that or god used his god hands and covered the sun for seemingly no reason.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 24, 2018 11:38:45 GMT
Yeah the sun became dark as in stopped giving light. It's like someone turned off the lamp in the room and everything went dark until they turned it back on. That's all You think that God isn't powerful enough to block the light of the sun? I am not understanding what you are asking or what the problem is. You are right regarding certain translations saying different things. However if one were to go back to the original Greek one could find out exactly what the time was. I'd trust the modern version over the King James because King James was a little fantastical in his translations translating goats into Satyrs, Aurochs into Unicorns, and snakes and reptiles into Basilisks and Dragons. That’s nothing, when Jesus returns all the stars in the sky will fall from the heavens, meaning they all don’t show their light for a little while! I would like to hear your say on exactly how it “turned off.” Its not that The God could not turn off the Sun. Its that The God has chosen to give us the laws of physics, which perpetuate in such a way that he does not just turn off the Sun. There would have been recordings of this event in all cultures all over the world if it had occurred like this. There was no such event recorded, except in the Bible. So it follows that the Sun simply did not turn off. And yet, what is the reason for the Bible saying it did? Now the reason I am giving does not originate with me; but I have lost the original source. I do recall it was in a book written by an Australian woman. When measuring the length of a year, we typically use a leap-year to compensate for the extra quarter of a day per year. But the Jews used a different method. Instead of adding one day every four years, they subtracted 3 hours every equinox. So the correct translation should read something like: Jesus was crucified at the time when 3 hours was removed from the sun-dial. There was a very precise reason for doing this at the equinox, because an hour on a sun-dial is only precisely 1/12th of the day-time at the equinox. For the rest of the year, 1/12th of the day-time would be longer or shorter than this. As for it occurring at 6am or midday, I am . But this does show that we have to use logic, and we must not simply assume that what is written is not prone to misunderstanding or mis-translation. I do believe that miracles occur. I adhere to the Resurrection. But if reason shows that sometimes people look for miracles where there are none, then this serves to clinically distinguish between what is truly miraculous and what is only the illusion thereof. Its hard enough convinving materialists of the existence of the Soul. So when a false miracle is de-mystified we should embrace this as an opportunity to show that faith is half of reason, and reason is half of faith. We should have faith in reason, for that is the true means to show 'faith through works'. Here's the thing. The Greek word used for "the earth" in KJV and "the whole country" in the Good News Bible can either mean the earth or just the land as in the country of Israel in this case. The word is gen. biblehub.com/greek/ge_n_1093.htm It is possible that this miracle was limited only to the country of Israel and if you scroll down in the link to Luke 23:44 it seems to be translated as the land more times than the earth. I'll have to do more studying to see which usage is correct. But regarding the sun, the Greek says tou heliou eklipontos which means "the suns light failed" or "the sun was in eclipse". biblehub.com/text/luke/23-45.htm This miracle is an eclipse and it is a miracle because it is impossible for an eclipse to happen at Passover. Later scribes altered the text because they didn't have enough faith to believe that God could cause an eclipse during passover despite God being able to do anything he wants. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_darkness In short, God didn't just turn off the sun, he caused an eclipse. Whether it was an actual eclipse where the moon obscured the sun or if God obscured the sun himself to create his own eclipse I don't know but the darkening was an eclipse and may have just been in the land of Israel. He didn't just turn off the sun, but if he wanted to turn off the sun and keep everything alive and kicking just as it is he can and will do it if he wants. God is infinitely powerful and does not have to follow the laws of physics which he has created. In fact the whole point of a miracle is to break those laws. Its like that passage in the Old Testament where King David is waging a war and God keeps the sun in the sky for over 24 hours for as long as the battle rages. How did he do that? Maybe he stopped the earth, maybe he freeze framed the light of the sun in the sky, or maybe he actually broke the laws of reality as we know it to do that miracle. Who knows? Who cares? Hes God, he has the power to do whatever he likes and will do it if it suits his fancy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 11:44:26 GMT
And for those who still naively believe that the Bible is infallible, and must always be taken at face value, and not questioned; note that there is an error by one of them in the times. So do you reckon that God just sort of turned off the Sun one morning or afternoon? (whichever it is) I do believe there is a rational explanation, but it pains me to see that many people still cannot accept that there requires an analytical approach to reading the Bible. That some of it has been lost in translation, or metaphors have been taken literally. I will withhold what I believe to be the correct reading until I have seen how others interpret this. my interpretation is 12'0 clock, it is not mentioned DAY LIGHT, could be an early morning, when there's no light. This is exactly the time 12:00 AM - 3:00 AM, which is the most darkest of the nights. It could be possible that he was not crucified in the broad day light, but this could be a secret cruficifation of his, which was ordered.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 11:46:57 GMT
God created the sun. He can do more than just darken it for a few hours! Ahem!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 11:48:58 GMT
You think that God isn't powerful enough to block the light of the sun? I am not understanding what you are asking or what the problem is. You are right regarding certain translations saying different things. However if one were to go back to the original Greek one could find out exactly what the time was. I'd trust the modern version over the King James because King James was a little fantastical in his translations translating goats into Satyrs, Aurochs into Unicorns, and snakes and reptiles into Basilisks and Dragons. This point i agree, sun dial were created to measure the times, based on sun rays, in old days, before scottish people invented the mechanical clock.
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Post by just10sp on Aug 24, 2018 17:38:22 GMT
Yeah the sun became dark as in stopped giving light. It's like someone turned off the lamp in the room and everything went dark until they turned it back on. That's all You think that God isn't powerful enough to block the light of the sun? I am not understanding what you are asking or what the problem is. You are right regarding certain translations saying different things. However if one were to go back to the original Greek one could find out exactly what the time was. I'd trust the modern version over the King James because King James was a little fantastical in his translations translating goats into Satyrs, Aurochs into Unicorns, and snakes and reptiles into Basilisks and Dragons. That’s nothing, when Jesus returns all the stars in the sky will fall from the heavens, meaning they all don’t show their light for a little while! I would like to hear your say on exactly how it “turned off.” Its not that The God could not turn off the Sun. Its that The God has chosen to give us the laws of physics, which perpetuate in such a way that he does not just turn off the Sun. There would have been recordings of this event in all cultures all over the world if it had occurred like this. There was no such event recorded, except in the Bible. So it follows that the Sun simply did not turn off. And yet, what is the reason for the Bible saying it did? Now the reason I am giving does not originate with me; but I have lost the original source. I do recall it was in a book written by an Australian woman. When measuring the length of a year, we typically use a leap-year to compensate for the extra quarter of a day per year. But the Jews used a different method. Instead of adding one day every four years, they subtracted 3 hours every equinox. So the correct translation should read something like: Jesus was crucified at the time when 3 hours was removed from the sun-dial. There was a very precise reason for doing this at the equinox, because an hour on a sun-dial is only precisely 1/12th of the day-time at the equinox. For the rest of the year, 1/12th of the day-time would be longer or shorter than this. As for it occurring at 6am or midday, I am . But this does show that we have to use logic, and we must not simply assume that what is written is not prone to misunderstanding or mis-translation. I do believe that miracles occur. I adhere to the Resurrection. But if reason shows that sometimes people look for miracles where there are none, then this serves to clinically distinguish between what is truly miraculous and what is only the illusion thereof. Its hard enough convinving materialists of the existence of the Soul. So when a false miracle is de-mystified we should embrace this as an opportunity to show that faith is half of reason, and reason is half of faith. We should have faith in reason, for that is the true means to show 'faith through works'. Yes jonbain, I knew that you would have a good and logical approach to the actual that the event did occur. However even with the possible outplay of what you have agreed to, there are other things that do not seem so logical. I was looking forward to your scientific understanding of the Sun 'could' have turned off for 3 hours. It is easy to say that God did it but the actual physics behind it would be interesting. But at the same time there is no logical understanding of man to explain the Resurrection as well, or the earthquake and the curtain being torn in two. I believe there is phenomena that we don't quite understand that could actually darken the Sun. There are many things that have been erased from history with the burning of books, from the previous 5 beasts. For example true days used to be from evening to evening, but they are now night to night. Even the Sabbath has been changed. People still do not know that Nimrod, a rebellious wicked ruler of Babylon, has his birthday on December 25th, not Jesus. Jesus's true birthday, according to the stars in heaven, when the Sun crowns the Virgo constellation, with the moon at her belly, can be narrowed to September 11th, which according to Tishri calendar is the first day of the year, The Day of The Trumpets. This is why the Illuminati chose 9/11 to have the massive terrorist attack. You probably did not know that the Bill of Rights and the Constitution was put in place because people witnessed the Mighty Arm of God, not to mention The Declaration of Independence. Because nobody see's what God has done people defiantly turn a blind eye to his work and creation. This isn't normally taught ever. Today, most religious wars are simply propaganda tricking people into killing innocents, however, 5 beasts who deceive the world have been destroyed, we are currently on the 6th beasts, and there is only 1 more to come, so we are slowly getting rid of these 'illuminati' guys. Soon Babylon (confusion) will fall and we will see the truth be revealed. Jupiter is known as the “king planet.” Venus is known as the “queen planet.” Beginning around August 6 of 3 BC, Venus chases her king. As you advance the days forward, you will see that the waning moon crosses over the two planets around the 9th of August. On the 12th of August, Venus sits on top of Jupiter. This would have been a very bright alignment! As you advance forward in time, Venus leaves her king and is joined by Mercury (who was known as the “messenger of the gods” in mythology). This would have also been a bright alignment. These two head straight for the constellation Virgo (the virgin). Meanwhile, by September 11th, Jupiter, the “king planet” literally parks and sits over Regulus, the “king star,” which is in the paw of Leo, the “king constellation.” Again, this would have been a very bright alignment and a significant sign to the ancient astronomers. If there truly were “three kings” that witnessed the birth of Christ,these were the three! {Note: There were likely many more than just three magi (wise men) who came to see Jesus. Note also, they did not arrive for His birth in the manger. They arrived when He was approximately two years old and living in a house. See Matthew 2:11.} On September 11, 3 BC (-2), we see the waxing sliver of a New Moon (which signals the beginning of the Fall Feasts) under the feet of Virgo, who is now “clothed with the sun” shining brightly in herbelly, with Mercury and Venus at her head. If we consider the nine bright stars of Leo plus the planets Jupiter, Venus and Mercury at and above her head, we have an exact match to the description John gives in Revelation 12:1-5! I say all this because for centuries God has been erased from history, with church's being infiltrated by Satan's followers. Government is corrupt and whoever wins the war writes history. Also, I could not find any evidence that Jesus died during an Equinox. I did find some people that claim there are Lions, and Capricorns, and Rams in the sky, who somehow totally miss that they were put there in because of Christ, which the Magi knew and understood and not that Christ was put there because of the sky! Satan has been trying to discredit Jesus as the Son of God ever since he asked Him "If you are the Son of God.." and he easily deceives people away from the real truths. I say all this because if Jesus birthday is unknown, to the common public, who knows what else may have been changed overtime.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 24, 2018 18:07:37 GMT
God created the sun. He can do more than just darken it for a few hours! Ahem!!!! What?
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