Clovis Merovingian
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 12, 2018 3:06:42 GMT
I've noticed that often people follow certain religions for very stupid reasons. For example what always makes me laugh is Germanic pagans or "Asatru" followers. If you ask them why they follow their religion they'll say its because their ancestors worshiped these gods and they are honoring their ancestors. Or there will be someone who follows Buddhism because they are a hipster who thinks Christianity is too mainstream and "Eastern philosophy is where its at." I've heard many stupid reasons for choosing a religion like off the top of my head, "It gives me spiritual fulfillment" or, "I'm honoring my ancestors" or "I love the philosophy of the religion" or, "the moral code of the religion gives me self discipline."
To the Norse pagan who's honoring his ancestor I say ODIN DOESN'T EXIST! The Norse gods are not real and your ancestors were worshiping nothing. To every one else I say if you don't actually believe that the religion you follow is true then why do you waste your time and why do you insult the supposed religion you're following? There is only one valid reason for becoming a part of a religion and that is because you believe the religion is true.
I follow Christianity because I believe that the old and new testaments of the Bible are accurate accounts of human history, that there is one God, the God of the Bible, that Jesus is his son, and that the death, resurrection, and ascendancy of Jesus into heaven is true and that Jesus will come again in Armageddon. If you don't actually believe your religion is true than why are you wasting your time following it? You're basically LARPing (live action roleplaying) and that is very disrespectful to the religion itself which makes claims of truth. The only valid reason to follow a religion is because you believe it to be true otherwise you are being stupid.
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Post by hermitcrab on Jul 12, 2018 9:23:56 GMT
I've noticed that often people follow certain religions for very stupid reasons. For example what always makes me laugh is Germanic pagans or "Asatru" followers. If you ask them why they follow their religion they'll say its because their ancestors worshiped these gods and they are honoring their ancestors. Or there will be someone who follows Buddhism because they are a hipster who thinks Christianity is too mainstream and "Eastern philosophy is where its at." I've heard many stupid reasons for choosing a religion like off the top of my head, "It gives me spiritual fulfillment" or, "I'm honoring my ancestors" or "I love the philosophy of the religion" or, "the moral code of the religion gives me self discipline." To the Norse pagan who's honoring his ancestor I say ODIN DOESN'T EXIST! The Norse gods are not real and your ancestors were worshiping nothing. To every one else I say if you don't actually believe that the religion you follow is true then why do you waste your time and why do you insult the supposed religion you're following? There is only one valid reason for becoming a part of a religion and that is because you believe the religion is true. I follow Christianity because I believe that the old and new testaments of the Bible are accurate accounts of human history, that there is one God, the God of the Bible, that Jesus is his son, and that the death, resurrection, and ascendancy of Jesus into heaven is true and that Jesus will come again in Armageddon. If you don't actually believe your religion is true than why are you wasting your time following it? You're basically LARPing (live action roleplaying) and that is very disrespectful to the religion itself which makes claims of truth. The only valid reason to follow a religion is because you believe it to be true otherwise you are being stupid. so u managed to bring the church in other spiritual beliefs. great , just when i thought this was a safe haven left . cannot overlook the information here sadly With all due respect, you cannot expect a Christian to compromise his beliefs. This isn't a case of "you do you", it's a matter of truth. One cannot be guided by truth if he is simply guided by whatever whim or passion passes through his mind when it comes to his belief, "I'll just do this because it feels good" is not an honest adoption of faith. Faith demands a life that corresponds to faith, or it shall die. I have no doubt that I and Clovis also disagree on much considering the man is a Baptist and I am an Orthodox Christian. But before an honest dialogue concerning that can occur, we must concede that our views cannot coexist with both being equally true, it just doesn't work like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 9:24:30 GMT
Interesting position, one I had not admittedly thought of. So what exactly do these axioms of belief work best for is my next question. What end does belief in God achieve? Also, what is your actual position on the existence of a deity? I would say that my belief in God is more like my belief in evolution than like my belief in gravity. The evidence for gravity is the strongest and can be shown experimentally. The evidence for evolution and God are weaker, but these concepts are much more powerful, they can explain much more. Technically, philosophically, true beliefs are those that work best at meeting our own expectation of those beliefs. This is like a true friend who meets the expectations one has of a friend. This definition of truth may seem odd, but if one defines truth as working best at meeting some external goal, then one is again stuck with the problems that the correspondence theory of truth has. The Old Testament view of truth is the only one that I know of that has no philosophical problems. If you are interested in philosophy, then I recommend: www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Hebrew-Scripture-Yoram-Hazony-ebook/dp/B0096BCVPG/But this philosophical answer is not practical. To be practical, I need to say what my expectations are. My expectations of the concept of God is that it explains history and thereby gives me guidance for what to do to optimize the future. For far this concept has met this expectation. More crudely, the Old Testament says that God leads his people to victory in battle, which is saying the same thing in a way that primitive former slaves can understand. BRAVO !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 9:27:45 GMT
I did unless an angel. Rather not talk about it though. Like I said was like a life or death moment. I was safe because I listened. The other person was not safe at all. :/ :(
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 9:28:51 GMT
so u managed to bring the church in other spiritual beliefs. great , just when i thought this was a safe haven left . cannot overlook the information here sadly With all due respect, you cannot expect a Christian to compromise his beliefs. This isn't a case of "you do you", it's a matter of truth. One cannot be guided by truth if he is simply guided by whatever whim or passion passes through his mind when it comes to his belief, "I'll just do this because it feels good" is not an honest adoption of faith. Faith demands a life that corresponds to faith, or it shall die. I have no doubt that I and Clovis also disagree on much considering the man is a Baptist and I am an Orthodox Christian. But before an honest dialogue concerning that can occur, we must concede that our views cannot coexist with both being equally true, it just doesn't work like that. well said!
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Clovis Merovingian
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 12, 2018 9:41:59 GMT
I follow it as a doubting Thomas. Blessed is he who has not seen yet has believed doesn't really apply to me. God once spoke clearly to me in such a way that I cannot deny his existence. God and Christianity is as real as gravity to me. Faith overload perhaps I should correct what I said in the post you quoted. God spoke to me clearly twice in this manner. Not once but twice.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 12, 2018 12:59:59 GMT
Life is the search for truth...
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Post by KHNUM77 on Jul 12, 2018 13:17:41 GMT
When we believe something to be true this should ultimately be correlated to wether or not it actually is verifiably true. Truth is based on verifiable facts and evidence. There are many religions that claim to be true, but have little fact or evidence that support they actually are. Just like something as simple as going to the grocery store, on a grander scale, but none the less the same. Did you go to the grocery store? Show me the evidence. Is there food in the fridge, did you pay cash or put it on the card, is there a receipt ? Did you pick me up the Tostitos and salsa that i asked for, where are they?
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Post by joustos on Jul 12, 2018 14:48:33 GMT
You are saying in effect that you believe that the Bible is monotheistic, that Jesus died but rose from the dead, etc. In a word, you believe that such Christian doctrines are true. However, beliefs (such as the belief that the sun moves around the earth) can be wrong, false. A belief that something is true is not automatically truthful. So, I would say that it is delusional for anyone to follow a religion (or a political ideology, etc.) because it is believed to be true or useful for oneself [meeting one's expectations]. Ask yourself, Why must anyone choose and follow a religion at all?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 14:55:32 GMT
I should correct what I said in the post you quoted. God spoke to me clearly twice in this manner. Not once but twice. Was it something general or was he the god of Christianity that spoke to u?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 16:54:18 GMT
I’m all for good mental health and if a person can honestly say their “ religion “ ( I’m using this in its broadest form ) makes them a better person , and creates better mental health , I support the choice.
However , If it makes a person more judgmental , unkind , exclusive etc . I believe it’s time to reconsider the system , as it is creating more mental health issues for everyone involved.
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Clovis Merovingian
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 13, 2018 5:11:04 GMT
I should correct what I said in the post you quoted. God spoke to me clearly twice in this manner. Not once but twice. Was it something general or was he the god of Christianity that spoke to u? Definitely the God of Christianity. Who was speaking was abundantly clear.
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Clovis Merovingian
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 13, 2018 5:21:18 GMT
joustos KHNUM77 The thing is that God himself actually gave me tangible evidence that he exists. I don't believe based upon nothing; I believe based upon what I have seen and experienced for myself. Thus it is a settled matter for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 5:49:11 GMT
Was it something general or was he the god of Christianity that spoke to u? Definitely the God of Christianity. Who was speaking was abundantly clear. Then it was massive faith overload causing u to hear such. God is universal not for specific chosen ppl like u believe
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