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Post by Ace on Jul 3, 2018 14:43:10 GMT
Despite all of the rulers that have changed it to their advantage, and tweaked it to their liking over these thousands of years, how do you, even as a Christian, trust the book? If you truly believe it is the word of God, it is indisputably true that that word has been changed throughout these 2,000 years.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 3, 2018 15:16:34 GMT
The Church has kept this book with God's help at all times. God Almighty, he lives in the Church and keeps his Word!
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Post by Ace on Jul 3, 2018 15:25:03 GMT
The Church has kept this book with God's help at all times. God Almighty, he lives in the Church and keeps his Word! Yes but throughout most of history the church was not noble, it had greedy and evil popes. Even these popes made adjustments to the bible! Yes, they have kept the book, but not the same book. There is a chance your favorite verse wasn't even from God. |
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Post by Ace on Jul 3, 2018 15:25:36 GMT
The Church has kept this book with God's help at all times. God Almighty, he lives in the Church and keeps his Word! Yes but throughout most of history the church was not noble, it had greedy and evil popes. Even these popes made adjustments to the bible! Yes, they have kept the book, but not the same book. There is a chance your favorite verse wasn't even from God. That being said, which parts of the Bible can we trust, if any? |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 3, 2018 15:37:10 GMT
Yes but throughout most of history the church was not noble, it had greedy and evil popes. Even these popes made adjustments to the bible! Yes, they have kept the book, but not the same book. There is a chance your favorite verse wasn't even from God. That being said, which parts of the Bible can we trust, if any? The history of Christianity after 1054 became very damaged...in fact, we have received many 'Christian' organizations.. This is a very good question you asked which parts of the Bible Christians should trust.. The Canon of the books of the Old Testament was finally approved by the Laodicean Council of 364 and the Carthage Cathedral of 397, in fact, the Church used the old Testament Canon in its present form from ancient times. So Meliton of Sardis in a letter Dating from about 170, already lists the books of the old Testament, identical to the approved in the IV century. Formation of the New Testament Canon! In General terms, the Canon of the New Testament emerged by the middle of the second century, evidenced by the citation of the new Testament writings of Apostolic men and apologists of the second century, for example, Hieromartyr. Irenaeus Of Lyon. Both the Covenant was first reduced to a canonical form in local councils in the fourth century: Cathedral in 393 and Carthage in 397 Cathedral. In Result: 66 books of the Bible (39 in the old Testament and 27 in the New). |
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Post by Ace on Jul 3, 2018 15:38:05 GMT
That being said, which parts of the Bible can we trust, if any? The history of Christianity after 1054 became very damaged...in fact, we have received many 'Christian' organizations.. This is a very good question you asked which parts of the Bible Christians should trust.. The Canon of the books of the Old Testament was finally approved by the Laodicean Council of 364 and the Carthage Cathedral of 397, in fact, the Church used the old Testament Canon in its present form from ancient times. So Meliton of Sardis in a letter Dating from about 170, already lists the books of the old Testament, identical to the approved in the IV century. Formation of the New Testament Canon! In General terms, the Canon of the New Testament emerged by the middle of the second century, evidenced by the citation of the new Testament writings of Apostolic men and apologists of the second century, for example, Hieromartyr. Irenaeus Of Lyon. Both the Covenant was first reduced to a canonical form in local councils in the fourth century: Cathedral in 393 and Carthage in 397 Cathedral. In Result: 66 books of the Bible (39 in the old Testament and 27 in the New). Alright, this is a fair answer. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 3, 2018 15:58:48 GMT
The Church has kept this book with God's help at all times. God Almighty, he lives in the Church and keeps his Word! Yes but throughout most of history the church was not noble, it had greedy and evil popes. Even these popes made adjustments to the bible! Yes, they have kept the book, but not the same book. There is a chance your favorite verse wasn't even from God. I agree with this only because it's still true! I don't know why popes even exist. Bible doesn't list the word pope. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 16:03:46 GMT
I believe and trust in God's word, I certainly can't prove that it's God's word. However, I have faith that it is and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. That's just the way it is.
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Post by MEGA on Jul 3, 2018 16:04:43 GMT
Despite all of the rulers that have changed it to their advantage, and tweaked it to their liking over these thousands of years, how do you, even as a Christian, trust the book? If you truly believe it is the word of God, it is indisputably true that that word has been changed throughout these 2,000 years.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
*I hear his voice. *He is My Father *I have the sword of the spirit to cut through all deception. *I Love Him *He Loves Me & Blesses me Everyday *I have Unbreakable Faith *And absolute Trust in Him *I dont' need to trust a book ... Jesus is the LIVING WORD. *His WORD is written on my heart. HIS SHEEP CANNOT BE DECEIVEDWe are wise as serpents & harmless as doves. |
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Post by treez on Jul 3, 2018 16:39:20 GMT
Well, although you're entirely correct in saying that the bible has been changed and manipulated as the religion has evolved, I think the place of these events in history are validated by other documents such as the dead sea scrolls and the book of King Solomon (the original one) all exist to prove that at least the historical events are recorded in some fashion, accurately. Understandably this leaves you with the line of questioning: Well what about Jesus, God, Satan, the 'characters' in the bible so to speak. Regarding creation through science, (which we have to do if you want to examine objective fact) it's pretty easy to see that there is some consistent pattern throughout the universe that can be measured. To make an example, the Golden Ratio, which is considered to be the mathematical fingerprint of beauty, is a quantification of a creationary force. Also there's the discovery of the Higgs Boson, which from a current scientific perspective seems to be the "glue" holding together at least our human conceptualisation of reality and existence. www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-exactly-is-the-higgs/www.goldennumber.net/beauty/Even what is essentially pseudoscience has identified these patterns, an example being Vortex mathematics, an expansion of Tesla's research on the power of the numbers 3, 6 & 9, has claimed to have measured the mathematical fingerprint of God / creation. And the art of sacred geometry can, in ways, help us create proportionate drawings that reflect the expansion, spin and vibration range of points of mass. www.theproblemsite.com/vortex/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_geometryIf we understand the conceptualisation our science is presenting us in the greater picture. There certainly is a higher force manifest as a creationary element that has potential to entirely govern human lives. The real question is whether or not humans have a desire to rely on a higher power as a source of strength or are the observations real that we have been spiritually experiencing collectively as the Human Race. As for the spiritual aspects of God and the Devil, to me they've always been a reflection of the human consciousness. To argue this point, the law of conservation of energy states that energy can not be created or destroyed. So we would, as an energy form for certain, live on after death, the semantics of which I do not know. Our experience is entirely mental though. So a bad person could perhaps this way die and go to hell. And a good person could die and be manifest as something heavenly, based on the mental. Rough metaphors but its hard to describe the unknown. With regards to Jesus, I think the most logical interpretation of him as as of a Jewish House opposed to the Roman Empire at the point. Perhaps he had developed fundamental practical understanding alchemy of some form. There are Roman Documents from the era that I believe prove he exists, but I'm not sure. |
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