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Post by Epitimia on Oct 13, 2017 7:01:41 GMT
CAPITALISM DESTROYS IDENTITIES OF BOTH THE HOST NATION AND NEWCOMERS
The US-Croatian philosopher and political analyst Tomislav Sunic explains the main reasons for the rise of right Eurosceptic parties in Europe:
The breaking point for this surge of right-wing movements and parties in Europe has certainly been the flows of migrants, non-European migrants, over the last few years. This certainly boosted the interest in nationalist parties from different parts of Europe from Finland to Greece.
The changing demographic, racial, and religious profile of Europe (and I use the word racial even though it is not politically correct because there is no better word) has led to the resurgence of right-wing parties. We see, for example, what is now happening in Austria with the presidential nominee. One of the presidential candidates, Mr. Hofer, did not win, but the other person did…This shows again that European society is very polarized. It is in fear of losing its identity. This is leading more and more people, especially the youth, to adopt nationalist identities. Of course, there are different modalities because the quest for a new identity in Austria is not the same as the quest for identity in France. These people are not coming out saying “we are racists.” I would call them implicit white nationalists. They are becoming strangers and foreigners in their own lands. Look at Frankfurt, Munich, and even Graz, which is only nominally still an Austrian city.
We have to make a clear distinction between religious identity and ethnic identity. Religion and race are not synonyms. There are many whites, such as Bosnians for example, who are Muslim and do not consider themselves Europeans in a cultural sense. This is another interesting point which we need to cover and critically examine. The policies of Frau Merkel are certainly not going to lead to multicultural understanding, nor to a consensus between different racial groups. I think that this will lead only to more frustration and more civil disturbances. We also have to be very critical of the capitalists and liberals. They hire cheap labor from the Muslim world, and I would call this liberal hypocrisy. Every time I sum up my comments, the main enemy is liberalism. Capitalism destroys the identities of both the host nation and newcomers.
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Post by caditsub on Oct 25, 2017 19:32:41 GMT
I'm speaking ex hominem, i.e., from how I understand it or from my opinion (rather than from a deep and settled conviction.)
When the Dutch showed that a country based on commerce grew, treasure troves swelled, while France, England, Germany and Spain (and the rest of Europe) didn't fair so well, the principle derivative on the wars that came out of the Reformation, the principle of tolerance, became powerful. The Industrial Revolutions purified this tendency, and the "liberals", in the 19th century cast off Catholicism in favor of commercial and competitive civil society. At the same time it produces massive populations, births. The principle of America, of the pursuit of happiness, which replaced the right to property (as expressed in Locke's formula) ushered in the nihilism of extreme subjectivity. Now, where I don't understand your account is, where is the evidence Nationalists in the current sense, as distinguished from in the WWII era and before, have any concern at all about identity? The concern is their ability to maintain the notion of aristocratic democracy. I.e., a situation where equal opportunity to compete, to dominate the others, economically, belongs to all citizens.
I don't know that peculiar cases like Anders Brevnick (possibly best understood as throw backs to the WWII age) have anything to do with the mainstream economically driven so-called far-right groups (Le Pen for example). One can object to immigration on the basses of fear of losing one's work to cheaper labor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 19:39:47 GMT
American capitalism is like a plague. Pure evil.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 25, 2017 19:55:13 GMT
American capitalism is like a plague. Pure evil. Any modern capitalism bears in itself evil! but what you can give him the alternative?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 20:13:35 GMT
American capitalism is like a plague. Pure evil. Any modern capitalism bears in itself evil! but what you can give him the alternative? I do not know, but capitalism brings all the sickness of modern society like globalization, complete loss of moral values, mass migrations, uncontrolled tourism, excessive accumulation of wealth in 1% of population and many more... |
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Post by AmericanCharm on Nov 24, 2017 22:29:16 GMT
Could be why homogeneous Nationalistic countries lean toward socialism, with a few capitalistic policies. Capitalism also brings in guest workers for cheaper labor from foreign nations. Which is how Germany needed up with so many Turks. It’s also how Immigrants get brought here (U.S) for upper wage jobs, through H1B visa programs
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Post by kiwibloke on Nov 25, 2017 8:16:02 GMT
CAPITALISM DESTROYS IDENTITIES OF BOTH THE HOST NATION AND NEWCOMERS
The US-Croatian philosopher and political analyst Tomislav Sunic explains the main reasons for the rise of right Eurosceptic parties in Europe:
The breaking point for this surge of right-wing movements and parties in Europe has certainly been the flows of migrants, non-European migrants, over the last few years. This certainly boosted the interest in nationalist parties from different parts of Europe from Finland to Greece.
The changing demographic, racial, and religious profile of Europe (and I use the word racial even though it is not politically correct because there is no better word) has led to the resurgence of right-wing parties. We see, for example, what is now happening in Austria with the presidential nominee. One of the presidential candidates, Mr. Hofer, did not win, but the other person did…This shows again that European society is very polarized. It is in fear of losing its identity. This is leading more and more people, especially the youth, to adopt nationalist identities. Of course, there are different modalities because the quest for a new identity in Austria is not the same as the quest for identity in France. These people are not coming out saying “we are racists.” I would call them implicit white nationalists. They are becoming strangers and foreigners in their own lands. Look at Frankfurt, Munich, and even Graz, which is only nominally still an Austrian city.
We have to make a clear distinction between religious identity and ethnic identity. Religion and race are not synonyms. There are many whites, such as Bosnians for example, who are Muslim and do not consider themselves Europeans in a cultural sense. This is another interesting point which we need to cover and critically examine. The policies of Frau Merkel are certainly not going to lead to multicultural understanding, nor to a consensus between different racial groups. I think that this will lead only to more frustration and more civil disturbances. We also have to be very critical of the capitalists and liberals. They hire cheap labor from the Muslim world, and I would call this liberal hypocrisy. Every time I sum up my comments, the main enemy is liberalism. Capitalism destroys the identities of both the host nation and newcomers.
The sceptic right will rise, over and over, like the sceptic left. And each time, money will talk and bullshit will walk. Till the peons give up and take to their online games. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 8:21:30 GMT
Could be why homogeneous Nationalistic countries lean toward socialism, with a few capitalistic policies. Capitalism also brings in guest workers for cheaper labor from foreign nations. Which is how Germany needed up with so many Turks. It’s also how Immigrants get brought here (U.S) for upper wage jobs, through H1B visa programs Yeah, like americans brought indians for cheap labor. And, to make matters worse, these wealthy indians are ruining india. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 8:22:44 GMT
Any modern capitalism bears in itself evil! but what you can give him the alternative? I do not know, but capitalism brings all the sickness of modern society like globalization, complete loss of moral values, mass migrations, uncontrolled tourism, excessive accumulation of wealth in 1% of population and many more... Race mixing is the biggest problem associated with capitalism. The wealthy people just start to have their political clout, and then, use media to glorify themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 8:25:07 GMT
Ever since, Indian government allowed foreign investments, and also, opened their economy, India is getting ruined. All these games were played delibrately. These NRIs who studied from the american universities championed the cause of american capitalism under the disguise of social mobility of the citizens, jobs etc.
But, I don't see any real development here. What I see is, rich people growing richer, and poor becoming more poor.
And these people also establish their political cloutness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 8:26:51 GMT
Immigration for cheap labor was a loop hole which capitalists exploited to the full.
First of all, I am always surprised, that how can USA allow Indians to study in their universities, give them jobs, and even make them CEO of their organisations?
This always has baffled me.
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Post by kiwibloke on Nov 25, 2017 8:27:58 GMT
I do not know, but capitalism brings all the sickness of modern society like globalization, complete loss of moral values, mass migrations, uncontrolled tourism, excessive accumulation of wealth in 1% of population and many more... Race mixing is the biggest problem associated with capitalism. The wealthy people just start to have their political clout, and then, use media to glorify themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 8:30:13 GMT
All these problems like feminism, which don't cater to authentic female issues, ultra liberalism, etc are the result of capitalism.
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Post by kiwibloke on Nov 25, 2017 8:34:45 GMT
Race mixing is the biggest problem associated with capitalism. The wealthy people just start to have their political clout, and then, use media to glorify themselves. I as a rich guy dont give a stuff who you mix your body fluids with and so do most other rich guys. We are too busy with doing what it takes to be rich and let me tell ya, its hard work. BUT. You know. To be rich, I cant limit my candy store to your neighbourhood. I have to open branches over in say Outer Mongolia as an example...its basic shit. And I need sadly to watch the bottom line which means the cheapest labour. If in the course of that, two sets of bodes mix and have babies, thats kinda an unintended consequence. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 8:36:01 GMT
//We have to make a clear distinction between religious identity and ethnic identity. Religion and race are not synonyms. //
Exactly, this is the problem. In India, everyone is clubbed as hindus, but, here, the racial, ethnic and ancestry is not even taken into account. These people have so much clout that they don't even allow any type of DNA profiling. The indologists have been clear in saying that all indians are not same, but they are hell bent on destroying the remaining old races.
At least, they should allow for such profiling, what they have to fear? Their kids study in harvard/stanford/berkeley, occupy huge positions in firms such as google, facebook.
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