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Post by markjonson on Jun 9, 2018 10:30:51 GMT
I'm curious to know If 3rd world war happens which 2 countries are going to be responsible for War?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 9, 2018 13:50:27 GMT
I'm curious to know If 3rd world war happens which 2 countries are going to be responsible for War? I always said that the modern war against Islamic radicalism is World War III.. Shrug |
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Post by heneryt on Jun 9, 2018 13:58:42 GMT
Not sure but maybe one of them would be america just expectation and nothing more
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Post by Brythonic Warrior on Jun 9, 2018 14:46:42 GMT
Perhaps it will be an internal war in Europe. Nothing is certain at this point, but I know what you refer to as the 'World War' is on the horizon, approaching and withdrawing with every week that passes.
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Post by guachelin on Oct 7, 2018 17:59:52 GMT
There will be no world war. Trump and Putin are butt buddies. The world is too interdependent and depended on global trade and finance.
The war is, in a sense, already here but it is being fought in cyberspace, in finance and economics.
The massive amounts spent on so called defense, really offense, are in reality welfare for the corporate military industrial petroleum chemical complex, which is transnational.
What is in the offing is what is going on right now. Western nations, Israel and Saudi Arabia attacking religious threats.
Israel vs the Palestinians. Saudi Arabia vs Yemen, Israel and Saudi Arabia vs Iran (Sunni Wahabism vs Shia Islam) with the U.S. gladly playing the role of war hound (Big bucks for Defense Contractors) and an orgasm for Apocalyptic Evangelicals.
If the Trump permits Netanyahu, the Evangelicals and Zionist lobby to influence him to wage war on Iran, then all hell will break out. Iran is not Iraq. If it doesn't have Nukes it can get them without a problem via the Indian ocean from Pakistan, and even though Pakistan is ostensibly Sunni, an attack on Iran will be perceived to be an attack on Islam. with Trump already signaling his displeasure with Pakistan, and a hostile India on it's borders it will rightly pereive that it is next.
I am sure that in such a circumstance that Pakistan will render non miltary aid to Iran.
Iran is not isolated. It is a neighbor of Russia, and Russia's southern border is majority Muslim, where they aren't orthodox.
It would be possible that an attack on Iran could be perceived as a threat to Russia, but they have no mutual defense treaty and thus no excuse for entering the war, but they could surreptitiously support Iran.
Russia and the US are too vast, too powerful for either of them to be attacked.
And I don't believe that a nuclear war is even a thought. The picture of a nuclear holocaust has been painted by the nuclear powers for propaganda purposes, deterrence and social control of their populations. And I doubt seriously that a self willed ingnoramus like Trump can let loose the nuclear hounds, for there are better minds behind him. And he hasn't even read any of the Executive orders that he has signed, nor has any knowledge of the legislation he promotes or signs, as it is all placed in his hands.
Ronald Reagan, was as wilfully ignorant as Trump, but he also had Alzheimers, and playing the role of President was the greatest honor this class B actor ever won. Trump doesn't have the excuses of alzheimers, his ignorance is self willed, he has little attention span and no interest in anything outside of himself, and his staff knows it, and controls what information gets to him and what orders get out. They don't worry because he will reverse himself, depending on who is in the room or who is his audience.
A land war is out of the picture, too much damage done to the economic structure, population and finance of Russia and Europe, and impossible to win on both sides.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 7, 2018 18:19:44 GMT
There will be no world war. Trump and Putin are butt buddies. The world is too interdependent and depended on global trade and finance. The war is, in a sense, already here but it is being fought in cyberspace, in finance and economics. The massive amounts spent on so called defense, really offense, are in reality welfare for the corporate military industrial petroleum chemical complex, which is transnational. What is in the offing is what is going on right now. Western nations, Israel and Saudi Arabia attacking religious threats. Israel vs the Palestinians. Saudi Arabia vs Yemen, Israel and Saudi Arabia vs Iran (Sunni Wahabism vs Shia Islam) with the U.S. gladly playing the role of war hound (Big bucks for Defense Contractors) and an orgasm for Apocalyptic Evangelicals. If the Trump permits Netanyahu, the Evangelicals and Zionist lobby to influence him to wage war on Iran, then all hell will break out. Iran is not Iraq. If it doesn't have Nukes it can get them without a problem via the Indian ocean from Pakistan, and even though Pakistan is ostensibly Sunni, an attack on Iran will be perceived to be an attack on Islam. with Trump already signaling his displeasure with Pakistan, and a hostile India on it's borders it will rightly pereive that it is next. I am sure that in such a circumstance that Pakistan will render non miltary aid to Iran. Iran is not isolated. It is a neighbor of Russia, and Russia's southern border is majority Muslim, where they aren't orthodox. It would be possible that an attack on Iran could be perceived as a threat to Russia, but they have no mutual defense treaty and thus no excuse for entering the war, but they could surreptitiously support Iran. Russia and the US are too vast, too powerful for either of them to be attacked. And I don't believe that a nuclear war is even a thought. The picture of a nuclear holocaust has been painted by the nuclear powers for propaganda purposes, deterrence and social control of their populations. And I doubt seriously that a self willed ingnoramus like Trump can let loose the nuclear hounds, for there are better minds behind him. And he hasn't even read any of the Executive orders that he has signed, nor has any knowledge of the legislation he promotes or signs, as it is all placed in his hands. Ronald Reagan, was as wilfully ignorant as Trump, but he also had Alzheimers, and playing the role of President was the greatest honor this class B actor ever won. Trump doesn't have the excuses of alzheimers, his ignorance is self willed, he has little attention span and no interest in anything outside of himself, and his staff knows it, and controls what information gets to him and what orders get out. They don't worry because he will reverse himself, depending on who is in the room or who is his audience.
A land war is out of the picture, too much damage done to the economic structure, population and finance of Russia and Europe, and impossible to win on both sides. They may be buddies but friendships can break off and who knows if they will be presidents forever? I didn't vote for Trump and don't plan to next election either. Plus, Trump was having those big issues with another country claiming he had the bigger button for nuclear war. You don't think nuclear war is possible? |
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Post by guachelin on Oct 8, 2018 1:21:32 GMT
Anything is possible Elizabeth, but not probable.
No I don't think nuclear war is probable. And I fear that the U.S. is on the cusp of a solid neo fascist state.
We are already facsist in some regards, as Mussolini defined fascism, an alliance where corporations run the government, through representatives. We are already there as we have the very best government money can buy, thanks to three decisions of the Supreme Court, the last being Citizens United, the first being Marbury v Madison, the second being the Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific in which a head note, not a court decision declared that corporations are persons and entitled to the same rights as people. This ruling expanded over time by SCOTUS to give corporations under the guise of free speech the right to spend as much money as they wanted on elections and now we have the spectacle of Trump.
Do Dictators step down? No they find ways to stay in power, even using some ruse or excuse to declare martial law. I call your attention to the burning of the Reichstag, an action taken by NAZI's, using as a stooge a mental deficient Dutchman.
Erdogan of Turkey will not step down, using an attempted coup as an excuse he will stay in power. Putin will never step down. Russia is dangerous for those who are in power and lose it or threaten those that are in power. Brezhnev had to leave Russia and retire to Switzerland with his Green Cross initiative.
Trump if he loses to the Democrats knows that he is in deep doo doo, not only will his crimes and frauds be exposed and prosecuted but those of his family as well, and even if the cowardly Democrats do nothing, Trump out of power will be a laughing stock and penniless as all of his loans and favors are called in.
He can't leave office and will find a way to stay in power, with his fascist hoard saluting "Hail Victory" seig heil in support.
It's not nuclear war that concerns me but the threat of nuclear war, a threat which can be used to impose martial law, and keep him in power.
What was the real reason that Trump went on twitter nationally in the guise of an Emergency practice alert?
He does nothing that isn't in his own interest and for which he sets the stage. He is a dottard, an ignoramus, but he is scheming and always thinking ahead for his own self interest and survival.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 8, 2018 3:12:59 GMT
Trump if he loses to the Democrats knows that he is in deep doo doo, not only will his crimes and frauds be exposed and prosecuted but those of his family as well, Can you explain this part? What crimes and fraud do you know of? |
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Post by mainrain on Oct 8, 2018 5:47:37 GMT
I don't think just "two" countries would be involved in precipitating a third WW. Moreover, a war in the style and scale of the first two WWs is not feasible anymore. What we have to worry about is this: Turning minds that can potentially question the status quo into consumers. That is, enlisting citizens as consumers, eliminating the threat of dissent so governments can execute the interests of the big private sector.
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Post by guachelin on Oct 8, 2018 21:11:50 GMT
Trump if he loses to the Democrats knows that he is in deep doo doo, not only will his crimes and frauds be exposed and prosecuted but those of his family as well, Can you explain this part? What crimes and fraud do you know of? The ones for which evidence exists and which the NY State attorney general is going to file indictments are those associated with his business, which in a word is Trump (Brand name). He ran a fraudulent on line University, a fraudulent charity(from which he siphoned funds to support his personal life, he lied on his tax returns, on applications for financing and that's off the top of my head.
Then the constitution of the US has a clause called the emollulents clause, which prohibits a government official, including the President from using his office to enrich himself.
Trump has violated this from day 1. He owns a hotel in Washington DC with his name on it and if anyone visiting the capitol, especially foreign dignitaries want to see him they stay in his hotel.
And he and his campaign receive financing from foreign corporations, companies,dignitaries like Saudi Arabia, the Deutsche Bank, Russia not to mention election assistance and all are criminal acts.
Give me a little time on google and I can produce a list as long as my arm.
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Post by guachelin on Oct 8, 2018 21:18:39 GMT
I don't think just "two" countries would be involved in precipitating a third WW. Moreover, a war in the style and scale of the first two WWs is not feasible anymore. What we have to worry about is this: Turning minds that can potentially question the status quo into consumers. That is, enlisting citizens as consumers, eliminating the threat of dissent so governments can execute the interests of the big private sector. I agree, except with the last part about enlisting the citizens as complicit consumers.
That ship sailed decades ago. We are already their the ship left the port. Especially when Wall Street with the aid of bought politicians and the media convinced the citizens to invest in the stock market.
This is something that should have been a leader in every paper in the country decades ago, but too late now.
"The greater the number of individuals with a;direct stake in our capitalistic system the better its chances of surviving. It is very easy to talk about the flaws in our way of life in this country, to demean the freeenterprise system, but once you have your money at stake you view things in a different light."(A copyrighted interview from US News & World Report,Aug 4, 1969 quoted on page 70 of a New Monetary System, Charles S. and Russell L. Norburn)
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 9, 2018 0:07:02 GMT
Can you explain this part? What crimes and fraud do you know of? The ones for which evidence exists and which the NY State attorney general is going to file indictments are those associated with his business, which in a word is Trump (Brand name). He ran a fraudulent on line University, a fraudulent charity(from which he siphoned funds to support his personal life, he lied on his tax returns, on applications for financing and that's off the top of my head. Then the constitution of the US has a clause called the emollulents clause, which prohibits a government official, including the President from using his office to enrich himself.
Trump has violated this from day 1. He owns a hotel in Washington DC with his name on it and if anyone visiting the capitol, especially foreign dignitaries want to see him they stay in his hotel. And he and his campaign receive financing from foreign corporations, companies,dignitaries like Saudi Arabia, the Deutsche Bank, Russia not to mention election assistance and all are criminal acts. Give me a little time on google and I can produce a list as long as my arm.
No wonder I always thought something was off about Trump. Shrug |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 2, 2019 8:57:46 GMT
3rd War war will be between all the countries, because it is the war between world's countries definitely.
But initiators of this war will be China, Japan and US (probably). We should erase Russia, West and East Europe, also we should erase Afrika, Australia and South Amerika, because they all have no resources and points to start any kind of war. Islamic states and Izrael are able to join that war, or even provocate it. Far East lands will be initiators of the 3rd World War, and they will enslave many other lands with their new automatized systems - I mean electronic controls over each citizens. They've already been doing this celling, for example, their products and apps. And we won't stop them easily, because it will be a massacre war with tiny nuclear weapons. All what we can do now is to start looking for John Connor.
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Post by jonbain on Jan 6, 2019 21:01:18 GMT
3rd War war will be between all the countries, because it is the war between world's countries definitely. But initiators of this war will be China, Japan and US (probably). We should erase Russia, West and East Europe, also we should erase Afrika, Australia and South Amerika, because they all have no resources and points to start any kind of war. Islamic states and Izrael are able to join that war, or even provocate it. Far East lands will be initiators of the 3rd World War, and they will enslave many other lands with their new automatized systems - I mean electronic controls over each citizens. They've already been doing this celling, for example, their products and apps. And we won't stop them easily, because it will be a massacre war with tiny nuclear weapons. All what we can do now is to start looking for John Connor. I say south-east Asia, most likely the Philippines. SE Asia has the worst destruction of marine life which is the last open and free resource that is not owned - thus it is fair game for conflict. The Black-sea and Med are also candidates but those countries are less reliant on marine resources. China building islands could be a serious problem because it is a loophole in international law, and even building a 1m high rock entitles them to about 1000km^2 of fishing space. The days of free oceans are getting less. And its about time too because only if you own something is there incentive to look after it. The number of fish in the sea is 1/10th of what it was 200 years ago, but the human population is 10x bigger. Something's gotta give. The only solution is global govt with one major enforceable agenda: ZERO population growth. It sounds fairly authoritarian, but the alternative is just infinitely worse. Marine conservation would be the 2nd priority. |
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Post by karl on Jan 22, 2019 5:58:10 GMT
I thought my previous post needed to be cleaned up, so I decided to rewrite it:
No country, or alliance, that is currently in a position to start world war 3 would be mad enough to deliberately do so. The only way I see it happening is if one player on the global scene, understimates another player's resolve. One possible scenario would be China deciding to launch a lightning invasion of Taiwan. China has openly made clear its intentions to annex Taiwan, but currently an invasion would involve the risk of war with the US. The question is what might happen if the future sees a shift in the power balance between the US a China, for example, if the US dollar loses its status as the world's reserve currency, and/or the beginning divide between the US and Europe deepens. If China ever decides to invade Taiwan, it would choose a point in time when it believes the US is too weak to react with force. If the US then sees China's invasion as the ultimate test for which one of the two nations will dominate the future, we might witness the start of world war 3. Old empires don't go down without a fight.
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