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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 21:18:43 GMT
Verses just mean to love God and put Him first. Put your dedicated to God first and to family second and He will bless you. Since Jesus said greatest commandment is to love God first and loving others is second. Ok. Three moments: 1. So, it's possible to follow Christ being married (I think you're agree here without any doubts); 2. Family is the traditional thing (there are many types of families: in OT we read about polygamy many times; in NT there are rather monogamy. Also, some traditional values like rituals, celebrations, important dates belong to the family's traditions); 3. To follow Christ having traditions is appropriate in NT (it leads from 1 and 2).
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Post by Elizabeth on May 7, 2018 18:15:03 GMT
Nope, the Egyptians went through punishments a lot. People, like Solomon, loved to sin against God. And bad things happen when you do that. So Adam got kicked out of Eden for his wrongdoing, Egyptians were slaves for their wrong doing, etc. Or since you're not Christian then think Karma! XD Ok, Elizabeth, I might agree on it. However, I can't stand why to kill for wrongdoing? Anyone who struggles God - is dead to bone. But why? Why then to name someone idiot, because he turned form God to a god? God killed people many times; He destroyed towns, He killed children... I see Shlomo as more respectful, straightminded, honest, brave, beautiful, talented person... Compare him to Jesus. Jesus was respectful for His deeds, for His attention to everyone, for His miracles, and His words. Many loved Jesus in/at His time. Jesus gave Gospels, while Solomon built Jerusalem Shrine. If such talented person as Shlomo was abandoned by God for tiny fault, why 'Penitent thief' was saved??! Where's logic?! No, I call people who are unwise in their actions as idiots. God gave Solomon wisdom and riches. He basically blessed him but Solomon was ungrateful and unthankful in the end. He went against everything that pleased God and God took everything that He gave to Solomon back. So this is why I called him an idiot because he was the smartest man alive and lost all he had so wasn't using his head to think! and I think it's shameful too. Imagine a friend gave you a gift and then took it back saying you no longer deserved it. This is what God did and took away His gifts from Solomon when Solomon could have easily kept them! Wait, when did God kill children?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 18:37:33 GMT
ElizabethVery simple examples are around us: for example, children which were killed by Herod. In Bible: Sodom and Gomorrah. Er, the firstborn of Judah (Genesis), firstborns of Egyptians (ibid), and 42 youths (2 Kings 2:23-24). Yes, thank you about the example of a gift. It is an interesting example, but it also reminds me some funny things. Let's imagine, a son was born by me (I don't know is it a correct version to say like that? Maybe "I had a son", or "My son was born" is better?), and I said to baby 'in no case don't play with green dinosaurs!'. And after some time I'm watching that my child is playing with the toy. Then I'm going to him, while shouting something like 'You've been born by me, and you will be killed by me!'. My baby is dead. Coda. If there were some psychiatrists, or policemen they would locked me in psycho-car, or police-car, and burn me to bone. They would shout at me 'you killer!', 'you will be rotten in hell!!', 'you'll be swing for this!', 'we're going to lynch, ya!', etc. And I would be roasted like a pig on a saint-fire, and preachers would take dirty money for they prayers, and churchians would be so glad that 'that scum!', who killed his own baby because of it was playing with a green monster, would be crucify and roasted alive...
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Post by Elizabeth on May 7, 2018 22:27:34 GMT
Elizabeth Very simple examples are around us: for example, children which were killed by Herod. In Bible: Sodom and Gomorrah. Er, the firstborn of Judah (Genesis), firstborns of Egyptians (ibid), and 42 youths (2 Kings 2:23-24). Yes, thank you about the example of a gift. It is an interesting example, but it also reminds me some funny things. Let's imagine, a son was born by me (I don't know is it a correct version to say like that? Maybe "I had a son", or "My son was born" is better?), and I said to baby 'in no case don't play with green dinosaurs!'. And after some time I'm watching that my child is playing with the toy. Then I'm going to him, while shouting something like 'You've been born by me, and you will be killed by me!'. My baby is dead. Coda. If there were some psychiatrists, or policemen they would locked me in psycho-car, or police-car, and burn me to bone. They would shout at me 'you killer!', 'you will be rotten in hell!!', 'you'll be swing for this!', 'we're going to lynch, ya!', etc. And I would be roasted like a pig on a saint-fire, and preachers would take dirty money for they prayers, and churchians would be so glad that 'that scum!', who killed his own baby because of it was playing with a green monster, would be crucify and roasted alive... My example is of a grown man not a child though. A grown man would know that if he got a gift to say thank you and be respectful to the giver. Solomon acted differently though which was wrong. My birthday is coming up in a month and I know I'll be getting presents as I do every year from the same people. They give me gifts each year because they want to and think I deserve them. But if I started treating them like garbage suddenly as Solomon treated God then I'm sure they will no longer give me anything on my birthday again! They would expect an apology first and for me to restore our friendship. But children normally will still get presents for their birthdays if they misbehaved because they're still learning right from wrong and things and might get punished in other ways like no playing video games for a month or something. Ok, about the killings. Herod killed on his own because he was king and kings thought they could do anything he wanted. Sure, he did wrong. But those were his actions alone and not God's. And guessing you mean Herod and the Egyptians story here. Well, Herod didn't want to release the Egyptians. He had no right to keep them as slaves. That land belonged to the Egyptians anyway and he just took over. So, God told him to free them or he will punish Herod and all his cruel people by killing their first born. But when God kills it's a natural death, Eugene. Since bible says God decides when we live and die. So, when Herod said no to releasing then God just made sure the firstborns naturally died in their sleep. It was a contract and God kept His word so it wasn't God's fault they died but Herod's. And the 42 youths had the same natural deaths because God said it was their time to go. We will all have our time to go when God says it's time. Some might go earlier and you can call that Karma too
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Post by fschmidt on May 8, 2018 6:14:58 GMT
I think our follower of the Old Testament knows what happened to him! fschmidt As usual, I have my heretical interpretation. Solomon represents the dangers of high intelligence. These dangers include arrogance, loss of tradition in the name of "open mindedness", and the generation of too much wealth which corrupts. In many ways, Solomon represents what America was in the last century, and what most great cultures are at their peak. Great projects are done and there is great wealth, but rising taxes. And intellectual arrogance leads to the belief that society no longer depends on its tradition, its religion, its god(s). So other cultures are invited in (Solomon's wives) and the result is a multi-cultural disaster.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 10:05:33 GMT
Elizabeth A grown man... what kind of person he might be? I think this question is not easy to solve. But, ok I think I agree here. Normally, we can differ a grown-up from not a grown-up. A gift... But God can take it any time. If God do, why somebody doesn't? God took everything from Job, and after his long period of suffering and pain he gave him back all that he had, and even more. But why? For what reasons? For what purposes? Just toying with him while discussing with the Devil about Job's loyalty? God must understand that a man which has been created by Him is a person, and toying with him means fooling the person. God made claims in OT, then in NT, what should be next? Another - The Newest Newly New testament? And after this God will say 'you know what, I'be been cheating, I'll give you another permissions 'The Ultimate Newest Newly New Testament' then". Abraham ought to sacrifice his own son! Many Christians were tortured at Coliseums. During WWII were killed many Jews. For why? Where is His all promises? Why He doesn't keep any promises?.. If God can't keep promises, why a human ought to? You are deserve gifts, because you're fair, honest, and truly person (not like God who loves to lie). People who can do it send you presents and gifts, because they can differ what a person you are; except for God, because "that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" (Matthew 5:45 NIV). The gift of life is a very, very problematic to be a gift. You are your life. How can someone separate one from another? It's impossible. My thoughts are part of mi vida, and as it is so, everything that I think about it - are gifts of the Gran Padre. I can't leave myself, and watch from aside on mi vida loca. Locals can, not me. That's why either there are the Church views on it (cathedral affairs), or there's no way for praying God in right way.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 8, 2018 10:32:57 GMT
unknown God gave Job even more than he had! God never promises that on Earth we won't have trouble and hard times but He did say when we do have troubles and hard times He will watch if we stay loyal to Him and still love Him. It's like a couple or a friendship...there will be tough moments but those moments are a test to see how much each one cares about the relationship they have with the other. If you stick through the good and the bad then it is a solid and good long lasting relationship. This is what Job and God had. Satan wanted to hurt him to break that relationship he had with God and God said that it wasn't going to happen. And satan failed. Job was blessed even more for fighting for the relationship he had with God. Only satan toyed with Job. God just made sure satan wouldn't kill him because God loves Job. God knows and will interfere when needed as He made sure to make sure satan didn't kill Job! It's satan who knows a person is a person and doesn't care. What did God claim? I am confused on this part sorry :( Which ones did He fail? Also promises not done yet are not failed yet. We can't have control over when someone does a promise for us. Aw, thanks Eugene but I am only how I am BECAUSE I took my example from God and built myself to resemble Him Shrug
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 11:40:00 GMT
unknown God gave Job even more than he had! God never promises that on Earth we won't have trouble and hard times but He did say when we do have troubles and hard times He will watch if we stay loyal to Him and still love Him. It's like a couple or a friendship...there will be tough moments but those moments are a test to see how much each one cares about the relationship they have with the other. If you stick through the good and the bad then it is a solid and good long lasting relationship. This is what Job and God had. Satan wanted to hurt him to break that relationship he had with God and God said that it wasn't going to happen. And satan failed. Job was blessed even more for fighting for the relationship he had with God. Only satan toyed with Job. God just made sure satan wouldn't kill him because God loves Job. God knows and will interfere when needed as He made sure to make sure satan didn't kill Job! It's satan who knows a person is a person and doesn't care. What did God claim? I am confused on this part sorry :( Which ones did He fail? Also promises not done yet are not failed yet. We can't have control over when someone does a promise for us. Aw, thanks Eugene but I am only how I am BECAUSE I took my example from God and built myself to resemble Him 1. I didn't agree about Job. God was a participant similar to Satan there. If He knew that anything of this wouldn't harm to Job, why He didn't explain anything normal to Job then? And God didn't fixed all these suffering from Job, Job still was feeling all these during his memory was working properly. But ok, I think we can't find there any agreement, as long as you will protect God at all costs.2. About Satan. Actually, who is this? Snake? Demon? A some person? Who is he? If Satan is Prometheus, then Prometheus is more close to me than God, because he has brought a fire, and critical thinking ability to humans. Satan didn't anything bad there, he just had hesitations about loyalty of Job to God. God may times tested vary his adepts, but why Satan couldn't?3 and 4. Many claims. Just like these ones: (I don't want to post quotes here) Genesis 1:28, 2:16-17, Exodus 6:1-14, Exodus 20:1-17, Jesus Joshua 23:14 , Psalms 83:12, Psalms 88:35, Psalms 90:10, Isaiah 49:25, Luke 11:13 (also, it is the place what dktrav has questioned about, when Diamond has been talking about The Holy Spirit. God promised to sent The Holy Spirit. The Orthodox Church is the one which claims that it has possessed The Holy Spirit), Galathians 5:22-23, 1st Corinth 10:13 (there God says that 'He doesn't tempt someone more than it requires' - aha, Job has been suffered more). Many of these claims were failed. God gave one testaments, after it - He gave another one. The New Testament is the proof of failing God of His own previous promises of possessing lands and governing the Earth. 5. Ok, what would it be if I follow Jesus too: I would make a whip and went to shrines breaking its furniture and trade places, and after I made a bunch of sailors, and promised them that some churches would be destroyed (I understand such promises about annihilation of churches as empty ones, because there are nothing eternal in our life). I don't think that you have been following Jesus, you've been following your relatives, friends and some decent persons. If you made good for people - it was regardless of Jesus. I'll explain: (i) If you did good because you wanted to go to Heaven - there was no good in your actions (remember, one of the topics which was celebrated to such a theme. You asked about this); (ii) If you did good because you wanted to mimicry Jesus's actions, your actions were just an act of mimicry, nothing more; (iii) If you did good because you wanted to follow teachings of Jesus, then your actions were similar to either (i), or (ii); (iv) There is no other ways to hold the words of Jesus. Conclusion: there's no way to do moral (and moral actions are absolutely necessary for doing good, or bad) by following God.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 9, 2018 5:13:47 GMT
unknown How will you know who is a true friend to you, Eugene? I would think it's the one who stays your friend during various trials and protects you at all cost. And I think Job showed this friendship to God and God was grateful and blessed him as I'm sure we would thank our friends for sticking with us through our good and bad days Shrug Satan is a dark angel. He was the most powerful angel before he fell out of heaven. So the fallen angels are also referred to as dark angels or demons which are spirits. They, like Jesus did, can take forms of things. Satan took the form of a serpent in the garden of Eden and Jesus took the form of a man just as angels sometimes took the form of a man to deliver a message from God to a human when needed. What was your question about why satan couldn't do something? I didn't understand it so don't know how to answer :/ Genesis 1:28 This was fulfilled. They people multiplied and the earth is filled with people. And we humans have control of all other living things. We can put them in zoos, kill and eat them, make the animals our pets, etc. We have dominion over the other living things. Genesis 2:16-17 This was fulfilled too. If you remember your bible sin leads to death. Spiritual death as in separation from God and then physical death when we die in the flesh and lastly the death in hell. So when Adam disobey he died spiritually and ultimately God cut the relationship off and kicked him out of the garden. And Adam physically died too when God said it was time. Now is he in the death known as hell? Well, we don't know since scripture doesn't say that he restored his relationship with God and obeyed Him until his death. So at least spiritual and physical death happened that we're certain about. Exodus 6:1-14 This was done as well. God even made sure they drowned in the sea when they tried to stop the people from leaving. So God did rescue them as He promised and gave them a land. Exodus 20:1-17 These are just commandments here. And He also fulfilled them in Jesus in human form and in general since God cannot sin. Plus, born again Christians fulfil this as well. Joshua 23:14 This is just a reminder that God didn't fail on the promises. Of getting them out of Egyptian and giving them the promised land. So extra proof of people saying God fulfilled His promises. Psalms 83:12 This just means God stopped anything in the way. Like Pharaoh keeping the people among other things. Psalms 88:35 There's no verse 35. I don't know how to answer about it then :/ Psalm 90:10 This is a true verse. That's the normal lifespan of human. Isaiah 49:25 This is true too. God just says captives from almighty will be freed and that He will protect His kids. And this was evident in Egypt with Pharoah. The almighty pharoah was taken down. Luke 11:13 And this is God's promise to give the Holy Spirit and only to those who really want and are serious about following Him. And the proof is there. The bible lists the fruits of the Holy Spirit. If a Christian has them then you can believe the Holy Spirit is in him So, I see no failures. And OT to NT isn't a failure. It's a transition. We all transition through things in life. We no longer live or dress or talk as we did when we were children. Now we live and dress and talk differently. That's not a failure. It's a transition to adulthood. OT was growing into NT. Now it's fully grown and no more testaments or covenants needed. No don't do those things if you plan to follow Him and only make promises you can keep and plan to keep. And no, I don't think I followed my relatives since I do not wish to be like them at all but like Jesus. Yeah, but Jesus said you must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. He won't accept fake worship. So don't worry Eugene people can't trick God because plain good people don't go to heaven. They just hear Jesus say as He said in scripture, "I never knew you." It's those who worship in Spirit and in Truth that do go to heaven because they do what they do for the right reasons.
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