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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 13:14:18 GMT
people so interested in religion? Isn't it better to be interested to create/learn something useful (whatever that might be) than to spend your time preaching, thinking and convincing others in existence of God/Allah/creator/or any other higher being(s)?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 23, 2018 21:00:43 GMT
It is difficult to get rid of religion question... just some people want to impose their views on religion without being interested in the true origins of such views that they have! Shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 23, 2018 22:34:29 GMT
I'm only interested in one but I don't always see it as a religion. It's just a natural thing for me as people doing their hair, making their, tidying up their home, etc. So no religion isn't something I'm forced to do but just seems like my normal daily routine. Of course not everyone has the same exact daily routine since some do more and some less. But I don't like to convince just discuss since it's not for everyone Shrug
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Post by just10sp on Apr 23, 2018 23:37:11 GMT
Well for me as someone new to religion it helps because they bring up points, that I can later learn and give responses too, from scripture. A good teacher is a good student. So really I am doing something useful, strengthening my brain, and building a mental platform, recreating my core self. There is are parts of the brain that becomes active when thinking about spiritual beliefs, faith. Matthew Alper's book which suggests that 'humans are innately hard-wired to perceive a spiritual reality'. People have to come to the idea of religion themselves I admit, you’re either deep into it, in the middle, or hard against it. Religious people are usually astounded by what they know, and come across. Just as when you find out something really cool you want to share it, or keep it to yourself hoping to make a profit later on, or take a picture to show your friends. So you want to share it. For us it’s like life came with an instruction pamphlet. Like when you read a book that helped you, you refer people going through a similar situation to the book. We share cool scientific discoveries because they are intrigueing. The Bible for us covers most our entire life so since we can’t get them to read it, we bring up a verse, or maybe translate the part that helps so it will benefit them. Jesus said never be anxious, so we might be like didn’t your mom ever till you tonnever be anxious. Plus there are wise authoritative statements made that bear strength in them. Constant famous quotes and like a mantra that comes from a renown Guru, these words come from our Father. It’s kind of like if we are sons and daughters, it’s like our dad told us this. But this ‘fatherly figure’ never thinks you are too old to teach, and you never grow smarter than him or are able to lie/trick him To you it’s a book. Don’t you like reading? Well that’s all we are doing, sharing what we have read As for feeling the need I personally do not. I have not told one person in real life, besides my mom. I simply state I’m Christian and leave it at that. All my friends have seen me as the smartest peer my entire life they do not think I am dumb because of it. I was just trying to relate so maybe you can understand why and get your answer. Imagine if you have read one book your entire life, it would be hard to refrain from it being a part of your intricate self/not telling anyone.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 23, 2018 23:40:11 GMT
people so interested in religion? Isn't it better to be interested to create/learn something useful (whatever that might be) than to spend your time preaching, thinking and convincing others in existence of God/Allah/creator/or any other higher being(s)? It is useful if its true.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 7:09:57 GMT
people so interested in religion? Isn't it better to be interested to create/learn something useful (whatever that might be) than to spend your time preaching, thinking and convincing others in existence of God/Allah/creator/or any other higher being(s)? It is useful if its true. And if not its just a waste of time, right?
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 24, 2018 7:22:32 GMT
It is useful if its true. And if not its just a waste of time, right? But I believe it to be true and have seen evidence in my own life that it is. So to me, its not a waste of time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 20:23:03 GMT
people so interested in religion? Isn't it better to be interested to create/learn something useful (whatever that might be) than to spend your time preaching, thinking and convincing others in existence of God/Allah/creator/or any other higher being(s)? It is fun, isn't it Frying on the holy fire is so exciting, and lynching is so entertaining! How can we refuse all these amusements?!!
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Post by fschmidt on May 20, 2018 5:52:55 GMT
people so interested in religion? Isn't it better to be interested to create/learn something useful (whatever that might be) than to spend your time preaching, thinking and convincing others in existence of God/Allah/creator/or any other higher being(s)? If you answer the question [What set of beliefs and rituals produce the best morals?] then your answer to this question is a religion. Religion is simply the means to morality. So if you are interested in morality, you should be interested in religion. I just got back from mosque, from the long night prayer during Ramadan. I also had a long discussion there about ways to bring morality back to business. I think this is a serious challenge today and I have some ideas about how this could be done by combining Islam with a new kind of web service. I may write this up here when the ideas are clearer.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 9:11:07 GMT
people so interested in religion? Isn't it better to be interested to create/learn something useful (whatever that might be) than to spend your time preaching, thinking and convincing others in existence of God/Allah/creator/or any other higher being(s)? If you answer the question [What set of beliefs and rituals produce the best morals?] then your answer to this question is a religion. Religion is simply the means to morality. So if you are interested in morality, you should be interested in religion. I just got back from mosque, from the long night prayer during Ramadan. I also had a long discussion there about ways to bring morality back to business. I think this is a serious challenge today and I have some ideas about how this could be done by combining Islam with a new kind of web service. I may write this up here when the ideas are clearer. So, for you religion is correct way of living, and if someone is not religious (or follows wrong religion) she/he is living their life wrong and unmoral (or not completely moral)?
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Post by fschmidt on May 21, 2018 2:34:47 GMT
So, for you religion is correct way of living, and if someone is not religious (or follows wrong religion) she/he is living their life wrong and unmoral (or not completely moral)? No religion is like no exercise. You may be healthy for a while without exercise, but eventually your health will suffer. I have seen how completely degenerate modern culture has become without a sound religion, and I have learned that the same happened repeatedly in history, so I assume that morality depends on good religion.
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Post by Lone Wanderer on May 21, 2018 8:22:48 GMT
I agree with you. I think it's OK if someone believes in an entity or God who is the source of kindness and good things AND their beliefs make them a good person. The problem is many religious people does not fit in that category. Just look at human history. How many wars caused by religious conflicts? How many times religions divided societies and nations?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 8:53:54 GMT
I agree with you. I think it's OK if someone believes in an entity or God who is the source of kindness and good things AND their beliefs make them a good person. The problem is many religious people does not fit in that category. Just look at human history. How many wars caused by religious conflicts? How many times religions divided societies and nations? I think the point of religion is to unify the nation, not divide it. Wars don't have much to do with religions, but the religion was used to fight the wars. That doesn't necessarily mean religion is bad. People are bad. What I could see is that religious institutions through most of the history was used vis-a-vis with governmental institutions, where government had a purpose to bring order to nation (and control) and religion was there to set some norms of behavior. There the religion was used to fit the government need. Of course, that was pretty much the same everywhere, until the emergence of Christianity and fall of Roman empire, that is until the great schism in Europe, because Catholicism, due to centralism of papacy, is exception to all that. Also I made this topic not because I am against religion, but because I am against misuse of religion.
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Post by fschmidt on May 21, 2018 9:03:26 GMT
I agree with you. I think it's OK if someone believes in an entity or God who is the source of kindness and good things AND their beliefs make them a good person. The problem is many religious people does not fit in that category. Just look at human history. How many wars caused by religious conflicts? How many times religions divided societies and nations? History seems alternate between times when war is glorified and times when war is reviled. The truth is in between. Periodic war is absolutely necessary as a means of natural selection, both for the selection of cultures and for the selection of genes. Without war, both culture and human genetics would endlessly decay. In the English translation of the Old Testament, one often sees the phrase "Lord God of Hosts" which is fairly meaningless. In fact this would be better translated as "Yehovah god of war". Yehovah is god of everything, but above all, Yehovah is a god of war. And this makes sense because war is the ultimate test of a religion. A good religion (good gods) leads a society to victory in war.
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