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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 8:12:44 GMT
I want to here y'all's opinions on this. How would the World be if the Confederacy had won the American Civil War. This is an interesting Alt-History scenario.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 16, 2018 3:59:43 GMT
Clovis Merovingian AmericanCharm if I understood you both correctly then I would actually agree. Some people or cultures and such just don't get along. So in such cases we should have areas that are divided. So could be mixed in some places for those who like it and some divided and you can pick where you fit best. Since America is so diverse and there's still some racism, hate, or even just the feeling of not belonging because too much of another culture that's foreign and unfamiliar is present. And we don't need to like them all either. Everyone can still have their preferences and it's not wrong at all. But having some division would actually help and probably decrease crime a bit too I'd say. Just my thoughts Yeah, you're right about that. Its also not just racism but also simply not being comfortable in another culture. I walk at a local soccer field on weekdays in my city but not weekends. The reason is that on the weekends Mexicans congregate on the soccer field in large numbers and there are no whites or blacks which are people I'm used to dealing with. I went to the soccer field one weekend and it was the weirdest experience of my life. The people there just stared at me like I didn't belong there and were confused to why I had come and were very cold. They were blaring Mexican music loud, very loud. They were speaking, nay yelling at each other in Spanish and drinking heavily and were getting really rowdy and aggressive with each other. I felt like I had stepped into another country and that I myself was a foreigner, not welcome there. I realized that alcohol and xenophobia don't mix and decided not to walk there on the weekends because they might attack me. I always bring a knife to defend myself but that's not good for multiple assailants. The fact is that this is why I do not support massive immigration from Mexico and Latin America. No man should feel like a foreigner in his own country. I have no problem with Mexicans and I admire their culture especially their Aztec past. But South Carolina belongs to those who've inhabited it for hundreds of years. I don't want our culture to be supplanted by an alien one. This applies to Yankees as well. They come down here to the south and they actively try to change things to be more like the North and we do not want it! South Carolina belongs to those who have inhabited it for hundreds of years.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 16, 2018 4:09:57 GMT
Oh yeah I think it's worse when they're drinking and you're different from them. :/
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 16, 2018 4:13:26 GMT
Oh yeah I think it's worse when they're drinking and you're different from them. :/ Especially when they hate your guts for not being one of them.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 16, 2018 9:38:22 GMT
I see that both sides were guilty ... but it is nevertheless correct when each group lives its life on its own land and does not interfere in the affairs of other people...
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 16, 2018 13:33:57 GMT
One of the reasons why the North defeated the South is quite simple. The Russian Emperor Alexander 2 (a famous liberal) supported the Yankees in the American Civil War and sent his fleet to help them! But the Yankees quickly forgot this ...
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Post by Brythonic Warrior on Apr 16, 2018 13:50:54 GMT
I will be honest: most of what I know about the US Civil War and American history in the 1800s comes from having been brought up on films of the Western genre. Because of the winning side being the one who manufactured these films (the winning side being the Union), we are given the impression that the Confederacy support rampant slavery and was an aggressor against the reality. However, I have come to the conclusion that the Confederacy wanted nothing other than the right to self-determination and self-rule. Any Civil War is an unpleasant one, as even families are split by ideology and by perspective, and nothing is more true for the American Civil War. But I do not believe that the Confederacy is tyrannical. Perhaps it is not my place to label one side or another as good and not so good. But in answer to your question: Yes, I believe the world would have been a better place, because the Union would have not grown into such a dominating superstate as it is today.
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Post by joustos on Apr 16, 2018 15:01:41 GMT
As a Sicilian-American at that time the South was not fond of my people even though we are white. We were discriminated against in the South. The largest mass lynching in America was when 11 Italians (mostly Sicilians were lynched In the South, rules were established preventing Italian children from attending certain “white” schools and in some parts of the South, churches and movie houses required that Italians sit away from other whites. There was discrimination against Southern Italians because of our swarthy features and complexions, culture, and religious affiliations. Signs and adds were put up saying Italians and colored people need not apply. Southern Italians were not considered “white” in the South for a solid period of time. Things eventually changed. Just some particular examples of Italian discrimination An Italian named Fred Villarosa was forced out of his jail cell and hanged men with masks in Vicksburg, Mississippi on March 28, 1886. They hanged Villarosa to a tree in front of the jail. Villarosa was in jail for allegedly assaulting a young American girl. Proof of the victim's innocence was available, but ignored by Vicksburg authorities. John Elia was lynched in Bienville, Louisiana on December 28, 1886. Tony Cravasso and his brother were lynched in Cumberland Gap, Kentucky in 1889. Unknown assailants gunned down David C. Hennessy on October 15, 1890. Hennessy was the New Orleans Chief of Police. He died the next day. A close friend of his heard Hennessy say that Italians were responsible for the shooting. After nine Italians were tried and found not guilty of murdering Hennessy, a mob dragged them from the jail, along with two other Italians being held on unrelated charges and lynched them on March 14, 1891. The eleven Italians were Pietro Monasterio, Joseph P. Macheca, Antonio Marchesi, Antonio Scaffidi, Emmanuele Polizzi, Antonio Bagnetto, James Caruso, Rocco Geraci, Frank Romero, Loretto Comitz and Charles Traina. Right after the lynching, thousands of Italians were beaten in the streets of U.S. cities. Many politicians defended the men who lynched these Italians and Theodore Roosevelt was one of them. John M. Parker helped organize the lynch mob and became the governor of Louisiana in 1911. A vicious mob attacked a group of Italian workers and killed three of them in West Virginia on May 11, 1891. White Southerns lynched an Italian named Louis Laferdetta in Boone, Kentucky on July 17, 1894. About eight months later, some Italian miners were attacked and lynched in Walsenburg, Colorado. The Italian miners were Lorenzo Andinino, Stanislao Vittone and Francesco Ronchietto. Some Italian prisoners were lynched in Hahnville, Louisiana in 1896. The Italians were accused of murdering white natives, despite lack of evidence to support the charge. The victims were Salvatore Arena, Lorenzo Salardino and Giuseppe Venturella. Three Italian shopkeepers and two other Italians were lynched in Tallulah, Louisiana in 1899. Some people thought that a fight between one of the shopkeepers and a local doctor was the reason that they were lynched, but the fact that the shopkeepers treated blacks and whites equally was the real reason why local Southerners lynched them. John Gambola was lynched in Hackensack, New Jersey in 1900. Italians were attacked by an armed mob in Erwin, Mississippi on July 11, 1901. Giovanni Serio and his son Vincenzo were killed as a result. And their friend Salvatore Liberto was wounded. A month later, an Italian immigrant named Giuseppe Buzzotta was beaten to death by a group of angry Southerners in Ashdown, Arkansas. Four Italian immigrants who ran a successful dry goods business were driven from the community by a mob of local white citizens in Marksville, Louisiana in November 1901. Two Italian men were lynched in Davis, West Virginia in 1903. Two Italian laborers were shot to death in West Virginia in 1906. The laborers were Dominick Masuleo and Frank Lepor. That same year, two Italians were lynched in Marion, North Carolina. Some Klansmen shot and seriously wounded two Italian-Americans on April 4, 1924. Six Italian prisoners were hanged in Amite, Louisiana on May 9, 1924. Seventeen days later, President Calvin Coolidge signed the Immigration Act of 1924, also known as the Johnson-Reed Act. The law was aimed at restricting the influx of Southern and Eastern Europeans, especially Jews who were escaping persecution in Poland and Russia. Despite worldwide demonstrations in support of their innocence, Italian-born anarchists Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti were executed on August 23, 1927. Beyond this I do not like Southern culture at all. I'm sorry for the lynchings; that was wrong just like the lynchings of blacks. But honestly I hate Italian culture as much as you hate southern culture. Don't much like Yankee culture either (because Yankees have no culture.) Seeing as these various peoples have very different cultures which really do not get along, why is it that when we tried to form our own country, Yankees invaded our homeland, killed our people, and forced us back into the United States? It wasn't for slavery, I can tell you that. We seceded to protect slavery but the Union invaded to, "save the union." Saving the Union is never a just goal. Why keep unlike things together? I have the impression that, for you, the "Civil War" was a war between cultures. I see it as the result of a political game played by the Yankees: By the Constitution, the number of Representatives sent to Washington depended on the quantity of the populations in the various States. At the same time, the amount of taxes paid to Washington depended on the earners of the States. So, a great discrepancy emerged between the Southern ["slave"] States and the Northern States. President Lincoln and senator Thaddeus Stevens planned on equalizing the states by destroying the "slavery" [Feudal] system in the South, and they did by killing and vandalizing the Southern Plantations. You are right in saying that the seceded States were forced into the Federation, and to this day, the States of the Confederacy are not de jure [legitimately] members of the "United States". But try to go and tell that to the IRS! Lincoln started the TYRANNY of the Washington government and it is not going to disappear by itself.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 17, 2018 6:42:04 GMT
One of the reasons why the North defeated the South is quite simple. The Russian Emperor Alexander 2 (a famous liberal) supported the Yankees in the American Civil War and sent his fleet to help them! But the Yankees quickly forgot this ... Not many people know about this. It’s not that we forgot, it’s that they don’t teach us this is school. US education has been a joke since Bill Clinton. But there’s more to the story that is more geopolitical; at the time, Russia was at odds with England and knew England wanted to and did have a hand in the US civil war, specifically with the confederacy whom England supported, as England was still quite bitter about losing America and its resources. Russia having their navy outside their ports was a strategic move on their part against England in that having a navy docked in port makes it extremely vulnerable to attack and the port vulnerable to blockade at the same time. Russia’s navy in and around US ports heavily deterred England from attacking the union while the union blockaded confederate ports with its navy. More details here, www.voltairenet.org/article169488.html
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Post by joustos on Apr 17, 2018 16:45:09 GMT
As to the question, What would have happened, if the South had won the war? I have a more ominous answer: The Confederacy would have introduced -- as it had planned -- "slavery" in the newly formed southern States, with the consequence that (as Hussein-Obama was recently wishing)millions of destitute African Blacks would have been populating North America and thus decrease the White population and political power. The unlimited introduction of Blacks into Italy (according to he Globalist agenda of the European Union)has done even more: the native people go out of their homes at their own risk, and tourists need to wear medical masks and special shoe-covers in order not to pick up the public defacations. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 12:16:42 GMT
I want to here y'all's opinions on this. How would the World be if the Confederacy had won the American Civil War. This is an interesting Alt-History scenario. 'Gone With the Wind' becomes a second Bible.
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