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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 12, 2018 7:41:23 GMT
This topic is most interesting to me in God’s word. There are many different views and interpretations of the end times and revelation, but God’s word has recorded only one way. Let’s discuss.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 12, 2018 7:54:47 GMT
Let’s start out with some scripture,
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV [3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
So this is an obvious statement by Paul in where he is saying that the day of our Lord Christ Jesus shall not come until the son of perdition, the antichrist, is revealed.
We can go to Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 for end times prophecy spoken of by Jesus Himself outside of revelation.
We can also refer to Daniel 9, 10, and 11 for end times prophecy that was revealed to Daniel.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 12, 2018 8:09:52 GMT
First we will hear of ones coming in His name, earthquakes and other natural disasters, and will hear of wars which will cause nations to rise against each other. Technically we do hear of wars to come Shrug But we are warned not to be deceived and have the scripture to guide us through it.
Matthew 24 4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 12, 2018 9:47:12 GMT
First we will hear of ones coming in His name, earthquakes and other natural disasters, and will hear of wars which will cause nations to rise against each other. Technically we do hear of wars to come Shrug But we are warned not to be deceived and have the scripture to guide us through it. Matthew 24 4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. Mhmm, it seems we have many of these things happening in the world already; people claiming to be Christ, earthquakes in many places, famines, disease and virus outbreaks, and wars and rumors of wars.
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Post by joustos on Apr 12, 2018 14:36:37 GMT
The most important prophesy was made by Jesus: the end will come before the present generation has passed away. Well, his present generation passed away but the end did not come. That was obviously a false prophesy, but it was covered up by others ... and there are still people who believe in it and patiently believe that the end of the world (rather than their personal end) is imminent. (A French artist once said: It's always OTHERS that die.)
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 12, 2018 16:56:13 GMT
The most important prophesy was made by Jesus: the end will come before the present generation has passed away. Well, his present generation passed away but the end did not come. That was obviously a false prophesy, but it was covered up by others ... and there are still people who believe in it and patiently believe that the end of the world (rather than their personal end) is imminent. (A French artist once said: It's always OTHERS that die.) Jesus wasn’t talking about the generation that was on earth while He was, He was talking about the generation that will be on earth during the end of the world.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 13, 2018 9:13:36 GMT
The main sign of the end will be the construction of the Third Temple in Jerusalem!
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 13, 2018 10:09:04 GMT
The main sign of the end will be the construction of the Third Temple in Jerusalem! Sola scriptura. Scripture doesn’t say the construction of the third temple will be the main sign. So that must mean a third temple can be built but the end will still not be at hand, even as scripture says, 2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV [3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; That day shall not come if a third temple is built, but it will come after a falling away and that man of sin, the son of perdition, is revealed.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 13, 2018 10:20:37 GMT
The main sign of the end will be the construction of the Third Temple in Jerusalem! Sola scriptura. Scripture doesn’t say the construction of the third temple will be the main sign. So that must mean a third temple can be built but the end will still not be at hand, even as scripture says, 2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV [3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; That day shall not come if a third temple is built, but it will come after a falling away and that man of sin, the son of perdition, is revealed. The third temple is where it says about ' The abomination of desolation' — Daniel 9:27 — Matthew 24:15-16 Thessalonians 2:3-4 King James Version (KJV)Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.- Please if you follow only the Bible then quote the script scriptura! As for falling away from the faith ... this is what we see in our time! This sign is already there .. but there is no temple!
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 13, 2018 10:28:03 GMT
Sola scriptura. Scripture doesn’t say the construction of the third temple will be the main sign. So that must mean a third temple can be built but the end will still not be at hand, even as scripture says, 2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV [3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; That day shall not come if a third temple is built, but it will come after a falling away and that man of sin, the son of perdition, is revealed. The third temple is where it says about ' The abomination of desolation' — Daniel 9:27 — Matthew 24:15-16 Thessalonians 2:3-4 King James Version (KJV)Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.- Please if you follow only the Bible then quote the script scriptura! As for falling away from the faith ... this is what we see in our time! This sign is already there .. but there is no temple! The building of the temple is inevitable, but scripture does not say it is the main sign. The main sign is given in scripture, that is the falling away and the revealing of the son of perdition. I did quote sola scriptura, I didn’t not add or take away from God’s word. To say the building of the temple is the main sign is to add to God’s word as God’s word does not say that.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 13, 2018 10:38:42 GMT
Yes! But the process of falling away from the faith can last a long time .. when construction the temple takes only a couple of years (months) only then you can be sure that this is the end!
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 13, 2018 12:03:57 GMT
Yes! But the process of falling away from the faith can last a long time .. when construction the temple takes only a couple of years (months) only then you can be sure that this is the end! When the temple is built and how long it is there before the son of perdition is revealed isn’t mentioned in scripture.
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Post by just10sp on Apr 14, 2018 18:02:47 GMT
The most important prophesy was made by Jesus: the end will come before the present generation has passed away. Well, his present generation passed away but the end did not come. That was obviously a false prophesy, but it was covered up by others ... and there are still people who believe in it and patiently believe that the end of the world (rather than their personal end) is imminent. (A French artist once said: It's always OTHERS that die.) Although all are welcome this does not seem like the appropriate topic for you, some of us are devout believers and some of us know rather than think (unwavering faith.) People have had different experiences with different uprising and different materials of information they have come across to lead to various understandings. What I do know from reading on this forum is a many of us are educated about on the topic of Christianity and are not taking these at a ear to ear face value approach. It is quite a fun chess piece placing process accounting for historical events which have taken place, may have taken place, and have not taken place. Each one adding more to the surreality of this end time prophecy, without belief but with irrefutable evidence. However if you are of utmost faith (being reaffirmed enough times, having not your trust broken, and being made continually in awe of the awesomeness of the cascading events that never seem to amaze taking place) then you simply know that the end time prophecy is true, holds complete merit, and will come to fruitition when all the foretold signs have taken place.
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Post by just10sp on Apr 14, 2018 18:20:52 GMT
In an additional note! The two witnesses are alive. Those that breathe fire to their enemies that wish to harm them. I am unaware whether they are simply preparing for their 3.5 360 day year testimony or whether it is already taking place. This has boggled my head as I do not know the length of their lives potential, people capable of wielding the insane power these two witnesses have may potentially live a long time, but indeed they are alive. I would never wish to lead astray those who are my fellow kindren and would serve no purpose for me to lie on this small entertainingly growing community. What a small post this is in a place that only two or three may read I do not incline to carry out such a meaningless deed! However if you take into account the amount of instances that have come to pass you may be willing to belief that they are without a doubt alive. it is quite an insane gift to me to know this. I wish I could tell you some of the things they have done but I feel it would only create a dissonance between you fellow readers given you have not already... witnessed... the witnesses.....
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 14, 2018 20:27:08 GMT
In an additional note! The two witnesses are alive. Those that breathe fire to their enemies that wish to harm them. I am unaware whether they are simply preparing for their 3.5 360 day year testimony or whether it is already taking place. This has boggled my head as I do not know the length of their lives potential, people capable of wielding the insane power these two witnesses have may potentially live a long time, but indeed they are alive. I would never wish to lead astray those who are my fellow kindren and would serve no purpose for me to lie on this small entertainingly growing community. What a small post this is in a place that only two or three may read I do not incline to carry out such a meaningless deed! However if you take into account the amount of instances that have come to pass you may be willing to belief that they are without a doubt alive. it is quite an insane gift to me to know this. I wish I could tell you some of the things they have done but I feel it would only create a dissonance between you fellow readers given you have not already... witnessed... the witnesses..... The 2 witnesses are no danger to the Christians, however. We don't need to fear. They are just preaching and stuff and doing their own thing. Only those trying to stop what they're doing will be in danger. Shrug
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