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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 15:21:30 GMT
I wonder since a while about the sympathizers of the far right. About far left to lesser extent, but also. So I'll refer here to those who love far right ideas, although it may suit the others ones as well.
Why are they tough only in the Internet? Why every time they feel unhappy about the reality, they open their notebook, log in on some forum, and keep talking roughly about how the world is degenerate and how everyone wants to destroy the West?
It reminds me of an elderly woman who spents way too much time looking through the window, and notices that her neighbour's cat is shitting on her yard again. She doesn't try to get rid off a cat. She doesn't want to confront her neighbour neither. Instead, she goes to the Internet and writes: My degenerate neighbour's cat is a degenerate leftist, just like his owner, owner's whole family and all his ancestors. He behaves adequately to those whom he supports, shitting everywhere on my holy and personal land. In the past he'd get killed for that! Yes for death penalty! Let's go back to the traditions! Next time I will beat the shit out of this leftist retard, he should be afraid of my wrath, because I'm so angry right now... angry enough to post this brave bullshit in the Internet.
More or less it looks like this. Waging the war in the Internet, while remaining neutral in reality. Really, are people so bored nowadays that they release their frustrations in the Internet?
Of course, not everybody who supports mentioned political stances behaves like that, but I often see some childish, loudmouth comments in the Internet and I start to worry where the civilization goes with such people living on Earth.
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Post by maxi on Apr 6, 2018 16:22:10 GMT
I doubt there is a simple answer. I have some ideas of factors that might contribute, though:
1) The media.
The US is particularly interesting because the government is split into only two parties, Republicans and Democrats, and each of this controls large portion of the media. For example, CNN is clearly biased towards the liberal Democrats, while FOX is biased towards the Republicans. Each sector of the media is constantly publishing stories to push their parties' agenda, while the opposite sector responds through the use of negative campaigns.
The issue is that the way this is done is highly manipulative. The media portrays issues as black or white, and tell you how you should feel by showing you how others feel and respond to situations. It is extremely easy to mislead the human mind and they do it all the time. When speaking in real life, one rarely encounters extremists. The reality is that most people are have more moderate ideas, are willing to discuss, willing to compromise, and willing to accept that no one is perfect. This reality is, however, not good for politics! As politicians, it is better to have clear-cut lines in order to have good voter control. It is even funny to see how the core values and ideas of politicians change from one campaign to another - these values and ideas are not personal at all, they reflect what they believe the voters want. In reality, I highly doubt the people at the top care much about gun control and gender rights, these are issues that are used to swing the voters. In fact, the reason these issues take so long to resolve is exactly because they are politically useful.
The media thus works as a force to create social polarization. Some people do get sucked into the extremes by the constant brainwashing that they see on T.V. and online articles, and then echo those ideas in online communities.
2. Dunning–Kruger effect
Politics is an incredibly complex topic. Most people - me included -, have very little true understanding of it. Unfortunately, it is very easy to over-estimate someone's understanding of a topic that they do not understand. Since politics is such a ubiquitous topic, there are many people who are fooled into thinking they know a lot because they watched some debates and read a few articles. When two of these individuals find each other, and they disagree with each other, you end up with a discussion that can't be won because both are looking at the issues with very narrow viewpoints - and lack the ability to realize the narrowness of their view.
Arguments that are fought under such circumstances will ultimately lead to angry arguers. They just 'know' they are right, but the other person isn't getting it because they are 'STUPID'. You end up with very angry people online.
3. This type of behavior appears to be more common than it really is
It may seem common to see such argumentative people, but I think they are exceptions. It takes a single individual playing the drums at 4 am to transform a nice quiet apartment complex into an annoying loud one. Furthermore, the opposition loves to find extreme behaviors and show them to everyone else to say 'SEE?! LIBERALS/CONSERVATIVES ARE CRAZY!! HAHA'
4) A million other reasons, and I don't really know what I am talking about.
Just as I provided a few explanations above, an infinite amount of different explanations could be made. It is very difficult to test how much effect, if any, each of the possible explanations actually has.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 6, 2018 23:17:55 GMT
Because - the world is degenerate Shrug
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 8, 2018 0:55:54 GMT
I wonder since a while about the sympathizers of the far right. About far left to lesser extent, but also. So I'll refer here to those who love far right ideas, although it may suit the others ones as well. Why are they tough only in the Internet? Why every time they feel unhappy about the reality, they open their notebook, log in on some forum, and keep talking roughly about how the world is degenerate and how everyone wants to destroy the West? It reminds me of an elderly woman who spents way too much time looking through the window, and notices that her neighbour's cat is shitting on her yard again. She doesn't try to get rid off a cat. She doesn't want to confront her neighbour neither. Instead, she goes to the Internet and writes: My degenerate neighbour's cat is a degenerate leftist, just like his owner, owner's whole family and all his ancestors. He behaves adequately to those whom he supports, shitting everywhere on my holy and personal land. In the past he'd get killed for that! Yes for death penalty! Let's go back to the traditions! Next time I will beat the shit out of this leftist retard, he should be afraid of my wrath, because I'm so angry right now... angry enough to post this brave bullshit in the Internet.More or less it looks like this. Waging the war in the Internet, while remaining neutral in reality. Really, are people so bored nowadays that they release their frustrations in the Internet? Of course, not everybody who supports mentioned political stances behaves like that, but I often see some childish, loudmouth comments in the Internet and I start to worry where the civilization goes with such people living on Earth. I don't know if them not doing anything in real life is true. They killed someone in Charlottesville Virginia and do a lot of rallys and marches. Heck, they are partly to blame for Trump getting in the White House.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 10:20:05 GMT
I wonder since a while about the sympathizers of the far right. About far left to lesser extent, but also. So I'll refer here to those who love far right ideas, although it may suit the others ones as well. Why are they tough only in the Internet? Why every time they feel unhappy about the reality, they open their notebook, log in on some forum, and keep talking roughly about how the world is degenerate and how everyone wants to destroy the West? It reminds me of an elderly woman who spents way too much time looking through the window, and notices that her neighbour's cat is shitting on her yard again. She doesn't try to get rid off a cat. She doesn't want to confront her neighbour neither. Instead, she goes to the Internet and writes: My degenerate neighbour's cat is a degenerate leftist, just like his owner, owner's whole family and all his ancestors. He behaves adequately to those whom he supports, shitting everywhere on my holy and personal land. In the past he'd get killed for that! Yes for death penalty! Let's go back to the traditions! Next time I will beat the shit out of this leftist retard, he should be afraid of my wrath, because I'm so angry right now... angry enough to post this brave bullshit in the Internet.More or less it looks like this. Waging the war in the Internet, while remaining neutral in reality. Really, are people so bored nowadays that they release their frustrations in the Internet? Of course, not everybody who supports mentioned political stances behaves like that, but I often see some childish, loudmouth comments in the Internet and I start to worry where the civilization goes with such people living on Earth. I don't know if them not doing anything in real life is true. They killed someone in Charlottesville Virginia and do a lot of rallys and marches. Heck, they are partly to blame for Trump getting in the White House. Individual incidents, but there is a world outside of the United States as well. The majority of such people are just loud in the Internet or in the media. Maybe except these leaders from the Britain First, but they are even more retarded when they claim they defend Christianity (by so un-Christian behaviour).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 17:20:39 GMT
Because - the world is degenerate Shrug It's just a right binoculars case. The golden era? Lately many of yours havin been talking that a war is good and unavoidable. I don't like wars, and I the present world, because there are people which are the same animals as me. Most of people have pets, love animals, but hate each other at the same time. Just brilliant. It's impossible to live like angels till there are the ones loving warsAngels are soulless, people have souls, because of their possibility of making choice at the right side; to make a step to the side of his will. The world of yesterday is identical to the previous one. So, it's highly important to stop listening to foxy bewilders, claiming to change everything sending everyone to the war. The invokers are the ones who betrayed us yesterday. The main positive point of traditionalism is to not believe to bewilders. So, the world is not degenerated at all, but there are some rotten rats laughing at believed them.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 9, 2018 18:51:56 GMT
Because - the world is degenerate It's just a right binoculars case. The golden era? Lately many of yours havin been talking that a war is good and unavoidable. I don't like wars, and I the present world, because there are people which are the same animals as me. Most of people have pets, love animals, but hate each other at the same time. Just brilliant. It's impossible to live like angels till there are the ones loving warsAngels are soulless, people have souls, because of their possibility of making choice at the right side; to make a step to the side of his will. The world of yesterday is identical to the previous one. So, it's highly important to stop listening to foxy bewilders, claiming to change everything sending everyone to the war. The invokers are the ones who betrayed us yesterday. The main positive point of traditionalism is to not believe to bewilders. So, the world is not degenerated at all, but there are some rotten rats laughing at believed them. Are you trying again to justify the situation in the world?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 1:58:47 GMT
It's just a right binoculars case. The golden era? Lately many of yours havin been talking that a war is good and unavoidable. I don't like wars, and I the present world, because there are people which are the same animals as me. Most of people have pets, love animals, but hate each other at the same time. Just brilliant. It's impossible to live like angels till there are the ones loving warsAngels are soulless, people have souls, because of their possibility of making choice at the right side; to make a step to the side of his will. The world of yesterday is identical to the previous one. So, it's highly important to stop listening to foxy bewilders, claiming to change everything sending everyone to the war. The invokers are the ones who betrayed us yesterday. The main positive point of traditionalism is to not believe to bewilders. So, the world is not degenerated at all, but there are some rotten rats laughing at believed them. Are you trying again to justify the situation in the world? And what were you trying to say me by this?
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