distancerunner
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Post by distancerunner on Apr 3, 2018 16:55:58 GMT
Too often I see religious people cite scientific publications with their chests puffed out, so to speak -- as if they're proud that they, a religious person, has shown that they are not incapable of agreeing with science. Too often I see religious people praising science, especially when it comes to medicine and everyday benefits.
It appalls me that these same people dismiss the theory of evolution, for example. They know full-well that evolution is scientific consensus, but they refuse to accept it simply because "my book says it's wrong." Either that, or they try to gather up some rather pathetic and questionable 'scientific' sources to 'prove' it wrong. They're completely fine with accepting a scientific publication that does not challenge their belief system, but as soon as one does, it's immediately invalid and holds no water because "my book says so." How abhorrent. How hypocritical and childish.
Science does not pick and choose. It eliminates bias and presents facts based on evidence and it doesn't care about your beliefs. When a religious person struts around waving their scientific paper with their chin held high, they're completely unaware that they're making a fool of themselves by accepting the very philosophy (i.e., science) that fundamentally disagrees with their ideas of human origination, among other things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 16:58:02 GMT
Too often I see religious people cite scientific publications with their chests puffed out, so to speak -- as if they're proud that they, a religious person, has shown that they are not incapable of agreeing with science. Too often I see religious people praising science, especially when it comes to medicine and everyday benefits. It appalls me that these same people dismiss the theory of evolution, for example. They know full-well that evolution is scientific consensus, but they refuse to accept it simply because "my book says it's wrong." Either that, or they try to gather up some rather pathetic and questionable 'scientific' sources to 'prove' it wrong. They're completely fine with accepting a scientific publication that does not challenge their belief system, but as soon as one does, it's immediately invalid and holds no water because "my book says so." How abhorrent. How hypocritical and childish. Science does not pick and choose. It eliminates bias and presents facts based on evidence and it doesn't care about your beliefs. When a religious person struts around waving their scientific paper with their chin held high, they're completely unaware that they're making a fool of themselves by accepting the very philosophy (i.e., science) that fundamentally disagrees with their ideas of human origination, among other things. What do you think, can it be compared to serving God and Mammon at the same time, sharing science and religion?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 17:10:02 GMT
Well, maybe one day they will focus on science enough to be sceptical about their religions.
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distancerunner
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Post by distancerunner on Apr 3, 2018 17:35:08 GMT
I don't think it's incorrect to look at it that way, but I wouldn't blame a scientific person for preserving the moral and spiritual values of their religion. It's the double standard that I despise -- that many religious people feel that facts only apply where they want them to apply. I don't think it's inherently hypocritical to adopt religious principals while participating in science so long as you understand that your holy book fails to serve as an unbiased source of factual evidence and should therefore not be cited for issues other than morality.
You might say that I think it's unacceptable to cherry-pick science yet unacceptable to not cherry-pick religious principals. Not all religious lessons have to be wasted, but some should be regarded as nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 18:19:11 GMT
I don't think it's incorrect to look at it that way, but I wouldn't blame a scientific person for preserving the moral and spiritual values of their religion. It's the double standard that I despise -- that many religious people feel that facts only apply where they want them to apply. I don't think it's inherently hypocritical to adopt religious principals while participating in science so long as you understand that your holy book fails to serve as an unbiased source of factual evidence and should therefore not be cited for issues other than morality. You might say that I think it's unacceptable to cherry-pick science yet unacceptable to not cherry-pick religious principals. Not all religious lessons have to be wasted, but some should be regarded as nonsense. Thank you for answering. I was a believer, but now I'm an atheist. But it doesn't mean that I object believers in their faith. Even understanding the science functioning, I'd say that inside science is not everything fine; I mean that science bases on methods, and the methods are as strong and solid as religious dogmas. So, in this interpretations we can say that there's 'fair 50/50'. I'm worrying of people, because I don't care of subjects of their believing, but I do care of ways of reaching the point. So, what is the point I'm talking? I'd say that there's no difference of our imagination if the last point of humanity will be just death and pain. Imagine two possible situations: A. that all the people stupidly die in future (at the end of humanity/the World), and all of their history, traditions, inventions, feelings, arts, buildings, money, food, places... all of the things will become to nothing. B. that the one last standing family has left alone in the Earth. And the couple is the last hope of all humanity, because they the ones which can spread the history further. In case A - everything is nonsense. We can killing each other without any doubt, without any bad felling about it. In case B - there's a hope. I ascribed the situations like this, because I wanted to be as much as neutral to religions/science. So, it's important to me finding the answer solving the task. I wish you luck!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 18:43:08 GMT
I don't think it's incorrect to look at it that way, but I wouldn't blame a scientific person for preserving the moral and spiritual values of their religion. It's the double standard that I despise -- that many religious people feel that facts only apply where they want them to apply. I don't think it's inherently hypocritical to adopt religious principals while participating in science so long as you understand that your holy book fails to serve as an unbiased source of factual evidence and should therefore not be cited for issues other than morality. You might say that I think it's unacceptable to cherry-pick science yet unacceptable to not cherry-pick religious principals. Not all religious lessons have to be wasted, but some should be regarded as nonsense. Thank you for answering. I was a believer, but now I'm an atheist. But it doesn't mean that I object believers in their faith. Even understanding the science functioning, I'd say that inside science is not everything fine; I mean that science bases on methods, and the methods are as strong and solid as religious dogmas. So, in this interpretations we can say that there's 'fair 50/50'. I'm worrying of people, because I don't care of subjects of their believing, but I do care of ways of reaching the point. So, what is the point I'm talking? I'd say that there's no difference of our imagination if the last point of humanity will be just death and pain. Imagine two possible situations: A. that all the people stupidly die in future (at the end of humanity/the World), and all of their history, traditions, inventions, feelings, arts, buildings, money, food, places... all of the things will become to nothing. B. that the one last standing family has left alone in the Earth. And the couple is the last hope of all humanity, because they the ones which can spread the history further. In case A - everything is nonsense. We can killing each other without any doubt, without any bad felling about it. In case B - there's a hope. I ascribed the situations like this, because I wanted to be as much as neutral to religions/science. So, it's important to me finding the answer solving the task. I wish you luck! As far as I understand, there is a hope only if two parents are genetically so different that they can pass to every child different chromosomial crossover, because having the same gene patterns increases the possibility for giving a birth to a degenerate person. And even so in a couple of generations they are most likely to die out
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 19:06:44 GMT
Thank you for answering. I was a believer, but now I'm an atheist. But it doesn't mean that I object believers in their faith. Even understanding the science functioning, I'd say that inside science is not everything fine; I mean that science bases on methods, and the methods are as strong and solid as religious dogmas. So, in this interpretations we can say that there's 'fair 50/50'. I'm worrying of people, because I don't care of subjects of their believing, but I do care of ways of reaching the point. So, what is the point I'm talking? I'd say that there's no difference of our imagination if the last point of humanity will be just death and pain. Imagine two possible situations: A. that all the people stupidly die in future (at the end of humanity/the World), and all of their history, traditions, inventions, feelings, arts, buildings, money, food, places... all of the things will become to nothing. B. that the one last standing family has left alone in the Earth. And the couple is the last hope of all humanity, because they the ones which can spread the history further. In case A - everything is nonsense. We can killing each other without any doubt, without any bad felling about it. In case B - there's a hope. I ascribed the situations like this, because I wanted to be as much as neutral to religions/science. So, it's important to me finding the answer solving the task. I wish you luck! As far as I understand, there is a hope only if two parents are genetically so different that they can pass to every child different chromosomial crossover, because having the same gene patterns increases the possibility for giving a birth to a degenerate person. And even so in a couple of generations they are most likely to die out Thank you, V for corrections. I described the situation briefly and in common manner. The latter situation was being discussioned in seminars of philosophy, so I just even tired to write it, so I thought you'd excuse me of it. Surely, we can change this 'mind experiment' to more suitable form, f.e. to two pairs of humans, etc. But the main point is neither in the number of people, nor in their health status. I reascribe it in another manner, more suitable for any 'current' person: Let's imagine, that scientists have discovered that the sense of life is in the last n minutes of life (n = 5...15... it can be any number). We don't know how have they found the answer, but the info is 100% true. So, all my life is to live that n minutes of mine. I have plenty of variants: A. I can go this info to hell, and to continue living as I've lived; B. I can do something. C. Some other variants. What if I choose 'B'? What should I do? How my life would change?
Egyptians, f.e., were using 'The Book of Dead' for their lives. They say that the book has been more important for them, because the dead life has been valuated more than alive one. So, to know by heart all the magical words/spells is to the key 'to the future'. Egyptians' faith can be helpful in this mind experiment as the more real example.
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Post by Pothead on Apr 3, 2018 19:45:47 GMT
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 4, 2018 3:23:30 GMT
I am a religious reactionary who strongly supports both science and evolution. It is liberal atheists who are in complete denial. Evolution shows that liberalism leads to idiocracy. Positive human evolution is only possible in a religious society.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 4, 2018 3:40:25 GMT
I have nothing against science despite being religious. However, science doesn't know everything as is always learning.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 4, 2018 10:10:48 GMT
I have nothing against science despite being religious. However, science doesn't know everything as is always learning. And always changing
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