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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 11, 2018 2:26:21 GMT
Why do you think it's so common in America?
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Post by Wolves At My Door on Feb 11, 2018 2:33:20 GMT
There has been a ton of guesstimates on this exact topic, nothing trying to be demeaning, but as in, it has been questioned by many top level academics and leading experts on different areas. The United States is extremely difficult to quantify since it contains over 300 million citizens, with a widely difference in both herritage, upbringing, social status, and a billion other factors that is de facto impossible to account for in a scientific study, that would be representable. It could be the ever-rising pressure of chasing the "American dream" and the societies pressure on the individual to become the biggest, greatest and best at everything, have high income, become something remarkable and trying to leave their imprint on the world. It could also be due to poverty and a dysfunctional healthcare system, so the guesses are many, but the answers will remain hidden. Here's some who attempts to provide an answer. www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide.shtmlwww.vcuautismcenter.org/foundations/comorbidity.pdfpsychcentral.com/news/2014/10/13/suicidal-thoughts-10-times-more-likely-in-adults-with-aspergers/76016.html
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Post by AmericanCharm on Feb 11, 2018 2:43:43 GMT
Because we are crazy. Young people are taught that if you don't have everything, then you have nothing. In the days of our grandparents, having a decent job, a good wife and a few kids was everyone's ideal. Now the nuclear family has fallen out of the mainstream and men have no support network. That, and they must work twice as hard just to keep a decent living. Add this to kids being taught not to have any pride in themselves or their country and it spells disaster. It's unfortunate, really. Another factor is because society keeps telling people they're not good looking enough, not tall enough, don't have enough money, and so on. If only people would realize that only you yourself can determine your value by pursuing your passions and impacting the world in a way that provides you with some fulfillment. Being born in America you are already born with an adavantage compared to most people.
I also think some people get caught up in a thought process that if they can find the perfect girl, or make a certain amount of money then they will feel perfectly happy and when they don’t achieve this it breeds negativity and can lead to depression. Or in some rare cases people achieve these goals only to still feel empty.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 11, 2018 2:57:16 GMT
Is there even an American dream still?
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Post by Wolves At My Door on Feb 11, 2018 3:14:03 GMT
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Post by AmericanCharm on Feb 11, 2018 3:41:47 GMT
Is there even an American dream still? There is an Italian proverb and my family used to say it “I came to America because I heard the streets were paved with gold. When I got here, I found out three things. First the streets weren't paved with gold, second they weren’t paved at all, and lastly I was expected to pave them”. So then begs the question of what was the American dream to begain with? There is two definitions. Well I tend to agree with Donald Trump. It is freedom, peace, prosperity, liberty, and justice for all. The other definition of the American dream is you start from the bottom work hard and end up in a wealthy class. The “American dream” as it was considered is in trouble. Odds are you will die in the class you were born in. There is a reason this country is called "the land of opportunity" because if you work hard, the options are almost endless. Look at Arnold Schwarzenegger. He grew up in a dirt poor family in Austria country. He was given a great opportunity and he took advantage of it... look where he is now. That man, although not born in America, represents what America is really about. He was a multiple time Mr Olympia, movie star, and Governor. The problem is most people aren’t Arnold. He was able to break into movies because his bodybuilding career, and he was a great bodybuilder do to work ethic, genetics, and steroids. He became Governor because of his name not his politics. The other thing is most people aren’t willing to put in the work to achieve what the really want. It seems to me that the ever increasing sprawl of our bureaucracy is the biggest threat to everything we typically associate with the American Dream as far as freedom, achievement, brotherhood, and virtue. Income Tax, Welfare, and Class Warfare The governmental institution has effectively driven a wedge between the American social classes. - It serves to inhibit the growth of the lower classes by creating a culture of entitlement and complacency. - It creates a resentment among the middle and upper class tax brackets that are coerced to forfeit their wages. Interventionist Foreign Policy Because we have meddled in the affairs of foreign nations so frequently, we've become a popular target for terrorists. This has led to the creation of institutions such as the Patriot Act, which constitute a gross infringement on basic privacy rights and civil liberties. Also Government being very heavily involved in buisness and not for the good of the nation but for private interests.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 11, 2018 4:09:22 GMT
I also say there's no American dream. Just look at how many people are depressed in America. Something just doesn't add up.
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Post by aprilpoet on Feb 11, 2018 7:41:34 GMT
Is America really know for suicides? I actually didn't know that, but this might actually be related to the fact I live inside the United States. Normally here when considering "mass suicide", countries like Russia & or Japan normally come to mind.
Russia normally is just a common subject when it comes to these conversations - no matter how rare they are - where I live. Its kind of one of those "fun facts" that for some reason everyone knows. Similar Japan is also another country known for "mass suicides" mainly because of the simple shock value of an actual forest existing which has signs on the outside with suicide prevention hotlines on it. The reasons behind why people know these things is a bit of a stomach turner for me, and its never really settled well that it's just commonly accepted, yet it's kind of one of those "well what did you expect" conversations. Anyway enough with my anecdotes, I guess.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Feb 11, 2018 7:46:52 GMT
Is America really know for suicides? I actually didn't know that, but this might actually be related to the fact I live inside the United States. Normally here when considering "mass suicide", countries like Russia & or Japan normally come to mind. Russia normally is just a common subject when it comes to these conversations - no matter how rare they are - where I live. Its kind of one of those "fun facts" that for some reason everyone knows. Similar Japan is also another country known for "mass suicides" mainly because of the simple shock value of an actual forest existing which has signs on the outside with suicide prevention hotlines on it. The reasons behind why people know these things is a bit of a stomach turner for me, and its never really settled well that it's just commonly accepted, yet it's kind of one of those "well what did you expect" conversations. Anyway enough with my anecdotes, I guess. Yeah suicide rates are nearly double the homicide rates.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 11, 2018 7:48:20 GMT
Is America really know for suicides? I actually didn't know that, but this might actually be related to the fact I live inside the United States. Normally here when considering "mass suicide", countries like Russia & or Japan normally come to mind. Russia normally is just a common subject when it comes to these conversations - no matter how rare they are - where I live. Its kind of one of those "fun facts" that for some reason everyone knows. Similar Japan is also another country known for "mass suicides" mainly because of the simple shock value of an actual forest existing which has signs on the outside with suicide prevention hotlines on it. The reasons behind why people know these things is a bit of a stomach turner for me, and its never really settled well that it's just commonly accepted, yet it's kind of one of those "well what did you expect" conversations. Anyway enough with my anecdotes, I guess. You wouldn't say we have a frequent occurence of school shootings at least? I don't know if school shootings are popular anywhere else hmm
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Post by Polaris on Feb 11, 2018 8:50:54 GMT
Why do you think it's so common in America? Ending one's own life could be the result of a number of factors including substance abuse, mental disorders and family disintegration. However when we discuss the statistics we have to put in consideration that America's population is very big and big numbers if put into percentages might appear less shocking
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 11, 2018 9:06:42 GMT
In general, the US is known as the country where the number of suicides continues to grow According to the latest statistics in every second or minute in the US if not suicide then shooting!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 11, 2018 16:54:09 GMT
I also say there's no American dream. Just look at how many people are depressed in America. Something just doesn't add up. Just an American dream is left in the past .. today the situation is different!
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