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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 27, 2018 12:24:41 GMT
Discussion about Hinduism! What are its origins and essence? What is the relationship of Hinduism to the religion of the ancient Aryans!?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 13:24:22 GMT
On hinduism, actually, today's hindus are brutally racially mixed. What happened was the even before the advent of aryans, an important moment in the culture and ethos of hindus, there were other races residing.
One thing is there, the actual hinduism is dravidian brahmanism. Dravid, I think were not south indians, but the people residing in the east gangetic plains. There were lot of wars against aryans and the dravidian brahmanism.
when, certain rigvedic central asian aryans migrated towards the east gangetic plains, and tried to become the lords, their political expansionsin was finally nailed by the dravidian brahmanism, along with the indian people.
And in the end, the surviving aryans have instead become guardians of the dravidian brahmanism.
However, these dravidian brahmanical people did one trick. In order to pose as aryans, they threw their original dravidian lords, and instead painted the indo-european lords as the dravida lords, and gave them the names of brahma, vishnu, mahesha.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 13:28:51 GMT
This link has certain details. Hindus tried to deny about aryan invasion, but, it is getting proven convincingly. www.oocities.org/pak_history/nonhindu.htmlNow coming to idolatry which is an integral part of Hinduism, there are clear evidences of early Aryans rejecting it :
“They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti—the material cause of the world—in place of the All-pervading God, but those who worship visible things born of the Prakrti, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time.”—Yajur Veda 40:9.
“The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have no material representation, likeness or image.”—Yajur Veda 32:3.
Also, early Aryans had a Monist belief of worshipping elements of nature (in non-idolatrous personified forms): “There is only one God, worship Him” (Rig Veda, Vol. 6, Hymn 45 vs 16 ) and “Do not worship any one beside Him” (Rig Veda Bk. 8, Hymn 1, Vs 1)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 13:29:13 GMT
"A few Vedic tribes from Saptha Sindhva broke RigVedic norms and migrated southward. These numerically outnumbered groups expanding into the trans-gangetic region near the end of the Vedic period (8-6th century BC) tried to use the indigenous Dravidian priesthood to entrench themselves as the new ruling order. Within a few generations of acquiring control over the foreign Gangasthan, the minority Vedic tribes were usurped by the indigenous 'borrowed' priesthood; their Aryan religion, gods and customs mostly deposed and supplanted with indigenous gangetic gods and mythologies; and their new social order (varna or color based) replaced with the pre-existing profession (jati) based Brahmanical caste system ('chatur-varna' ). Through religious manipulation and intrigue, the Vedic in-comers to Gangasthan were usurped and made to surrender their political rule and soon pigeon-holed into becoming the loyal obedient chownkidars of their 'superior' dravidic Brahmanas."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 13:34:38 GMT
Which I explained earlier, that original brahmans of India were mountain indics. They were made to pen sanskrit, and compile rig vedas, and then slowly and steadily, chipped away the aryans. And in the end, included the aryan war lords as brahmanical lords, and then, did an expanisionism towards entire india, and called it as hinduism. Because, hinduism in reality is considered as a brahmanical order.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 27, 2018 13:36:19 GMT
How many were Dravidian and how did they exert influence? You have origin of them!?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 13:36:26 GMT
Also, hinduism is not based on racial lines, but on the castes. This is the difference.
Aryans were a race based society, not based on occupation. Hinduism is a casteist society, which are very hardened. Many attempts to dismantle it is also failing because mountain indic brahmans are very strong in politics.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 13:44:11 GMT
Actually, there is no origin of brahmans. This brahman word came during gupta empire. But, there were clearly tussles with the people of east gangetic plains and the north west aryans. These priestly people used to call aryans as impure and uncleas, because, they used to bury their dead, used to eat meat and were drinkers.
Also, these mountain people were mostly bards and fortune tellers. Using this, they also penned down mythological stories, and then, used the people to fight war with the aryans, and slowly and steadily, they spread these mythological fabrication across all the indians.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 13:46:41 GMT
Professor Michael Wetzel, the only tenured professor on indology has given this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahminToward a history of the Brahmins: Current research in the area is fragmentary. The state of our knowledge of this fundamental subject is preliminary, at best. Most Sanksrit works are a-historic or, at least, not especially interested in presenting a chronological account of India's history. When we actually encounter history, such as in Rajatarangini or in the Gopalavamsavali of Nepal, the texts do not deal with brahmins in great detail. — Michael Witzel, Review (1993)[27]
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 13:50:49 GMT
In fact, the sanskrit was penned down using a brahmi script. There is huge influence of dravidian language on sanskrit en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_languages#Northern_Dravidian_pocketsVedic Sanskrit has retroflex consonants (ṭ/ḍ, ṇ) with about 88 words in the Rigveda having unconditioned retroflexes.[80][81] Some sample words are Iṭanta, Kaṇva, śakaṭī, kevaṭa, puṇya and maṇḍūka. Since other Indo-European languages, including other Indo-Iranian languages, lack retroflex consonants, their presence in Indo-Aryan is often cited as evidence of substrate influence from close contact of the Vedic speakers with speakers of a foreign language family rich in retroflex consonants.[80][81] The Dravidian family is a serious candidate since it is rich in retroflex phonemes reconstructible back to the Proto-Dravidian stage.[82][83][84] In addition, a number of grammatical features of Vedic Sanskrit not found in its sister Avestan language appear to have been borrowed from Dravidian languages. These include the gerund, which has the same function as in Dravidian, and the quotative marker iti.[85] Some linguists explain this asymmetrical borrowing by arguing that Middle Indo-Aryan languages were built on a Dravidian substratum.[86] These scholars argue that the most plausible explanation for the presence of Dravidian structural features in Indic is language shift, that is, native Dravidian speakers learning and adopting Indic languages.[87] Although each of the innovative traits in Indic could be accounted for by internal explanations, early Dravidian influence is the only explanation that can account for all of the innovations at once; moreover, it accounts for several of the innovative traits in Indic better than any internal explanation that has been proposed.[88]
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 13:55:33 GMT
Dravida was a name of kingdom. Mahabharata or the indo-aryan people of north west regions used to call non aryans as dravidian kingdom, though now, it also refers to south indians en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravida_Kingdom
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 14:04:44 GMT
hinduism is mainly filled with mythologies and fairy tales of certain historical events. And majority of these historical events happen to be the war history of aryans!!!!!
And using these mytholgoies, the brahmans actually conquered entire indian subcontinent.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 27, 2018 14:09:23 GMT
WoW It is better to write this with one message I think
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 14:22:54 GMT
It is better to write this with one message I think No, let world know the facts about hinduism or dravidian brahmanical culture, and why is that, even today, non brahmanical hindus have hatred on brahmins, why do they shun hinduism if given a chance, and prefer to choose and become martial races with any other invading races be it mongolian or indo-european britishers. In fact, this hinduism and caste system is a real curse for India and Indians. Because, this has made indians completely immoral, unethical, and slackers.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 27, 2018 17:04:52 GMT
It is better to write this with one message I think No, let world know the facts about hinduism or dravidian brahmanical culture, and why is that, even today, non brahmanical hindus have hatred on brahmins, why do they shun hinduism if given a chance, and prefer to choose and become martial races with any other invading races be it mongolian or indo-european britishers. In fact, this hinduism and caste system is a real curse for India and Indians. Because, this has made indians completely immoral, unethical, and slackers. Just do not worry anymore! The whole world already knows in what shit India has today!
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