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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 12:54:28 GMT
Link for the research paper But I think it don't talk about European ancestry, and focuses more towards Asia, but one thing is clear. The paper has provided lot of evidences for the Indo-European migrations. file.scirp.org/pdf/AA20120100001_58744990.pdfAbstract: This article aims at reconstructing history of R1a1 ancient migrations between 20,000 and 3500 years before present (ybp). Four thousand four hundred sixty (4460) haplotypes of haplogroup R1a1 were considered in terms of base (ancestral) haplotypes of R1a1 populations and timespans to their common ancestors in the regions from South Siberia and northern/northwestern China in the east to the Hindustan and further west across Iranian Plateau, Anatolia, Asia Minor and to the Balkans in Europe, including on this way Central Asia, South India, Nepal, Oman, the Middle East, Comoros Islands, Egypt, etc. This study provides a support to the theory that haplogroup R1a arose in Central Asia, apparently in South Siberia and/or neighboring regions, around 20,000 ybp. Not later than 12,000 ybp bearers of R1a1 already were in the Hindustan, then went across Anatolia and the rest of Asia Minor apparently between 10,000 and 9000 ybp, and around 9000 - 8000 ybp they arrived to the Balkans and spread over Europe east to the British Isles. On this migration way or before it bearers of R1a1 (or the parent, upstream haplogroups) have developed Proto Indo-European language, and carried it along during their journey to Europe. The earliest signs of the language on passing of bearers of R1a1 through Anatolia were picked by the linguists, and dated by 9400 - 9600 - 10,100 ybp, which fairly coincides with the data of DNA genealogy, described in this work. At the same time as bearers of the brother haplogroup R1b1a2 began to populate Europe after 4800 ybp, haplogroup R1a1 moved to the Russian Plain around 4800 - 4600 ybp. From there R1a1 migrated (or moved as military expeditions) to the south (Anatolia, Mitanni and the Arabian Peninsula), east (South Ural and then North India), and south-east (the Iranian Plateau) as the historic legendary Aryans. Haplotypes of their direct descendants are strikingly similar up to 67 markers with contemporary ethnic Russians of haplogroup R1a1. Dates of those Aryan movements from the Russian Plain in said directions are also strikingly similar, between 4200 and 3600 ybp.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 12:55:54 GMT
Paper ends with this statement:
Currently, most of those with European R1a1 live in Eas urope, primarily in Russia (up to 62% of the population) and Poland, Ukraine, Belarus (up to 55% of the population in the last three countries). In depth reports on their haplotype branches and distinct SNP (characteristic mutations in the DNA) will be explored in forthcoming publications.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 20, 2018 13:49:32 GMT
R-Z282 (R1a1a1b1a)- This is supposed to be me! Although the test I have not yet been held, but many people with whom I have a common roots have this! R-Z93(Indo-Iranian)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 15:11:33 GMT
Yeah, it's quite impressive! I didn't think that it could be possible. I know a woman who researches such occasions (she's a specialist of Far-East), so she has said that there is connetion between us and ancient India's regions in language of sanskrit. And now it's a link in migrations. I think it's really possible. I knew we are brothers!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 20, 2018 22:50:55 GMT
Yeah, it's quite impressive! I didn't think that it could be possible. I know a woman who researches such occasions (she's a specialist of Far-East), so she has said that there is connetion between us and ancient India's regions in language of sanskrit. And now it's a link in migrations. I think it's really possible. I knew we are brothers! All this kinship at a very large distance + is completely absent at the level of autosomal DNA!
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Jan 20, 2018 23:30:39 GMT
Anatole A. Klyosov is a well-known pseudoscientist. Don't take his works seriously. Even other Russian scholars bashed him and his stuff.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 20, 2018 23:50:08 GMT
Anatole A. Klyosov is a well-known pseudoscientist. Don't take his works seriously. Even other Russian scholars bashed him and his stuff. He is largely right sometimes just kinks..
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Jan 21, 2018 0:01:07 GMT
Anatole A. Klyosov is a well-known pseudoscientist. Don't take his works seriously. Even other Russian scholars bashed him and his stuff. He is largely right sometimes just kinks.. No, if his works are legit, then why other geneticists do not cite or use them? Even Wikipedia reject them. His stories about R1* and languages are crazy. He may has some good points but he's a pseudo-scholar more or less. Instead of Klyosov's fairy tales, read serious studies by geneticists like Peter Underhill.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 21, 2018 0:06:22 GMT
He just understands the chemistry of genetics and nothing more! Often says not what need. Better already Oleg Balanovsky than he!
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