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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 2, 2018 9:57:41 GMT
In Kiev, a march passed in honor of Bandera's birthday.
In the center of Kiev passed a torchlight procession in honor of the birthday of Stepan Bandera, TV channel "112 Ukraine". The action ended in Independence Square(Maidan). The number of participants was about a thousand people, some of whom came with lit torches. Among the gathered were representatives of ultra-right movements and supporters of the Freedom Party (Свобода). The procession was accompanied by Police and cynologists. The march was held under the slogan "For the glory of heroes, for the future of children!". Stepan Bandera (1909-1959) was the leader of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists , one of the initiators of the creation of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army , whose goal was to fight for the independence of Ukraine. The UIA operated primarily in Western Ukraine and fought against the Soviet troops, cooperating with the Nazis. After the war, she continued to sabotage activities against Soviet power. ria.ru/world/20180101/1512072648.html
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Post by Supermentalita on Jan 2, 2018 11:36:03 GMT
Haha awesome!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 2, 2018 16:41:50 GMT
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Post by khaos on Jan 2, 2018 17:20:15 GMT
Slava Ukraini... good job.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 2, 2018 20:39:33 GMT
Slava Ukraini... good job. Ukraine risks losing its Fame (Slavy) because of these patriots! They require the law on free weapons. + Many other laws that pierce society! This is not as stable as we all know!
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Post by khaos on Jan 2, 2018 21:01:59 GMT
Slava Ukraini... good job. Ukraine risks losing its Fame (Slavy) because of these patriots! They require the law on free weapons. + Many other laws that pierce society! This is not as stable as we all know! I like the way you celebrate your national heroes. Here, most of people don't even care about these things, so I really enjoy when I see something like this. If we even do something like this here, we would be called nazis, patriotic idiots, xenophobic etc. It's mostly because of communist propaganda. Sad... And also, Ukraine is one of my favorite countries in Europe, alongside Hungary, Croatia, Czech republic, Italy and Finland.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 2, 2018 21:07:18 GMT
The fact is that these national heroes are heroes for one region of Ukraine.Other Ukrainians do not like this and therefore a conflict arises on this ground! I'm not talking about our neighbors. For example, the genocide of Poles, which at one time was carried out by Ukrainian nationalists!
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Post by Supermentalita on Jan 2, 2018 21:11:48 GMT
The fact is that these national heroes are heroes for one region of Ukraine.Other Ukrainians do not like this and therefore a conflict arises on this ground! I'm not talking about our neighbors. For example, the genocide of Poles, which at one time was carried out by Ukrainian nationalists! True. Ukrainian nazi's killed like 60,000 Poles.
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Post by Supermentalita on Jan 2, 2018 21:14:01 GMT
I think even a 100,000
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 2, 2018 21:44:05 GMT
Exact numbers no one will say.They killed Ukrainians and others too! This topic was simply taboo in society
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 19:53:42 GMT
There is nothing good in war regardless circumstances it's raised. So, the main task might be not to burn the flame of war-fire but to dig an axe of the war.
I can't remember any arguments for excusing war.
Honestly, the problem is deeper. It is not just in Ukraine or Russia, or maybe the third side, but in people's relationship leading us to Orwell's model future. So, that's worse. Why should we obey to ideas rather than real values like family, love, our children, friends... Yes, my words are such predictable and too worn-out like an old jeans. And, nevertheless, I catch myself on thought that one day people become more open to each other, more hearted and there would be more love than be present days.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 9, 2018 23:48:22 GMT
There is nothing good in war regardless circumstances it's raised. So, the main task might be not to burn the flame of war-fire but to dig an axe of the war. I can't remember any arguments for excusing war. Honestly, the problem is deeper. It is not just in Ukraine or Russia, or maybe the third side, but in people's relationship leading us to Orwell's model future. So, that's worse. Why should we obey to ideas rather than real values like family, love, our children, friends... Yes, my words are such predictable and too worn-out like an old jeans. And, nevertheless, I catch myself on thought that one day people become more open to each other, more hearted and there would be more love than be present days. For this, we just need to stand firm! People must go through all the circles of hell and finally understand all their mistakes no longer to repeat them in the future! My opinions!
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Post by amenemhab on Jan 10, 2018 8:59:36 GMT
I wish I knew more about the Ukraine, a nation dating at least back to the 9th century Kievan Rus, where St. Cyril’s quasi-Greek alphabet, adapted to record Slavic languages, spread soon after it had been introduced in Bulgaria.
However, torchlight processions make me recall Babi Yar, the 1941 Nazi slaughter of more than 30000 Jews near Kiev as the Einsatzgruppen moved in behind Wehrmacht lines during Hitler’s invasion of the USSR. Not hard to understand why Ukrainian nationalists didn’t like Communism imposed by Moscow, with the Stalinist 1932-33 punitive grain requisitions and consequent famine killing several million Ukrainians. And Russia’s invaded Ukraine to snatch the Crimea, historically more Ukrainian than Russian, back after Lenin had gifted it to Ukraine as part of Soviet loyalty reconciliations.
Yet a recrudescence of nationalism, wherever it occurs, even should it be in my own USA, doesn’t bode well for the future of global civilization. We’ve had enough World Wars.
Anyway, my point is they have nothing to do with nationalism and/or Nazism
Little to do with Nazism, as their initial cooperation with the Germans in 1941 would be reversed by 1942 once the Nazi barbarity became apparent to them, only a few hardcore collaborationists staying on Hitler’s side. Ukrainian partisans sabotaged rail lines and ambushed small German detachments throughout the rest of WWII, as did their Soviet counterparts to the north. Yet I’d still say they’re nationalists, and if not without legitimate cause, are pursuing an ideology which has only brought calamity to the modern world.
Our planet needs to band together as best it can, to face its global problems of population explosion, resource depletion, climate change, and the threat of nuclear weapons. Nationalism is parochial; therefore unhelpful to the goal of a United Nations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 9:53:19 GMT
I wish I knew more about the Ukraine, a nation dating at least back to the 9th century Kievan Rus, where St. Cyril’s quasi-Greek alphabet, adapted to record Slavic languages, spread soon after it had been introduced in Bulgaria.
However, torchlight processions make me recall Babi Yar, the 1941 Nazi slaughter of more than 30000 Jews near Kiev as the Einsatzgruppen moved in behind Wehrmacht lines during Hitler’s invasion of the USSR. Not hard to understand why Ukrainian nationalists didn’t like Communism imposed by Moscow, with the Stalinist 1932-33 punitive grain requisitions and consequent famine killing several million Ukrainians. And Russia’s invaded Ukraine to snatch the Crimea, historically more Ukrainian than Russian, back after Lenin had gifted it to Ukraine as part of Soviet loyalty reconciliations.
Yet a recrudescence of nationalism, wherever it occurs, even should it be in my own USA, doesn’t bode well for the future of global civilization. We’ve had enough World Wars.
Anyway, my point is they have nothing to do with nationalism and/or Nazism Little to do with Nazism, as their initial cooperation with the Germans in 1941 would be reversed by 1942 once the Nazi barbarity became apparent to them, only a few hardcore collaborationists staying on Hitler’s side. Ukrainian partisans sabotaged rail lines and ambushed small German detachments throughout the rest of WWII, as did their Soviet counterparts to the north. Yet I’d still say they’re nationalists, and if not without legitimate cause, are pursuing an ideology which has only brought calamity to the modern world.
Our planet needs to band together as best it can, to face its global problems of population explosion, resource depletion, climate change, and the threat of nuclear weapons. Nationalism is parochial; therefore unhelpful to the goal of a United Nations. Nationalism is not needed to be present in our World now. It's an absurd to live in scientific era holding some stupid superstitions. There is no differences between people. We are alike. So, nationalism is impossible now.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 10, 2018 15:27:20 GMT
Write well, but Lenin did not give Crimea to Ukraine, Khrushchev did it. He did not know that in the future might be a primitive nationalistic basis! Lenin simply began his policy of forming the territory of Ukraine within the framework of Soviet statehood!
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