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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jul 7, 2022 21:41:13 GMT
"Greater" or "lesser" always exists for every truth when compared to the vastness of contexts in which exists; a truth is always greater/lesser simultaneously.
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Post by jonbain on Jul 8, 2022 8:32:17 GMT
Sets of claims may include various proportions of truth,
and thus you could say that one set is 'relatively' more true than another.
But when we deconstruct each set,
the individual sub-claims are either true or not.
This is why statistics is a vastly different methodology to genuine science.
We have to be very careful of that word "relativity", because it has multiple
meanings in a variety of contexts
The way you title this "relativity of truth" at first sounded
like "relative truth", as in 'moral relativity', which is a falsehood,
as true morality is absolute.
This tangled web of ambiguous words, sounds confusing,
which is why we need to qualify what we mean with tangible examples.
In Arabia, it is a moral sin to waste water.
In Britain, it is a moral sin to waste sunshine.
So it seems as though truth here is 'relative'.
But the over-arching moral principle is not to waste scarce resources.
And that is not relative.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 8, 2022 17:34:50 GMT
No. Truth is truth.
All men are mortal. It doesn't have any "lesser", "greater".
The sum of inner angles/corners of a triangle = 180*. It is truth, and has no "lesser"/"greater".
I am a liar - is not a true, not a false, but it doesn't "lesser"/"greater" at the same time.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Jul 8, 2022 19:53:41 GMT
No. Truth is truth. All men are mortal. It doesn't have any "lesser", "greater". The sum of inner angles/corners of a triangle = 180*. It is truth, and has no "lesser"/"greater". I am a liar - is not a true, not a false, but it doesn't "lesser"/"greater" at the same time. But what if you live forever transcending this life? Then not all men are mortal Because some are immortal And it can continue like this as we chase semantics because although it might seem like some things are 1 way and only 1 way and not challengeable That is just because we as a people have decided on what was going to be called a fact and what was still up for evaluation but fundamentally speaking that's just not the case However I hope and am still looking for something or some things that are 1 way and only 1 way because I don't like the perspective that everything is the persons perspective because it has a feeling of anxiety that it brings me because I like most humans take comfort in knowing that something is a certain way and will be that same way when I come back to it later, it's a stability I guess you could call it and that's not present in the perspective that all is perspective . |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 9, 2022 9:40:24 GMT
No. Truth is truth. All men are mortal. It doesn't have any "lesser", "greater". The sum of inner angles/corners of a triangle = 180*. It is truth, and has no "lesser"/"greater". I am a liar - is not a true, not a false, but it doesn't "lesser"/"greater" at the same time. But what if you live forever transcending this life? Then not all men are mortal Because some are immortal And it can continue like this as we chase semantics because although it might seem like some things are 1 way and only 1 way and not challengeable That is just because we as a people have decided on what was going to be called a fact and what was still up for evaluation but fundamentally speaking that's just not the case However I hope and am still looking for something or some things that are 1 way and only 1 way because I don't like the perspective that everything is the persons perspective because it has a feeling of anxiety that it brings me because I like most humans take comfort in knowing that something is a certain way and will be that same way when I come back to it later, it's a stability I guess you could call it and that's not present in the perspective that all is perspective . "if" is conditional, it's neither true, nor false, but something in between. Until we're not sure in any "ifs", no need to be pretty sure in the answers on them. |
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Post by MAYA-EL on Jul 9, 2022 11:25:53 GMT
But what if you live forever transcending this life? Then not all men are mortal Because some are immortal And it can continue like this as we chase semantics because although it might seem like some things are 1 way and only 1 way and not challengeable That is just because we as a people have decided on what was going to be called a fact and what was still up for evaluation but fundamentally speaking that's just not the case However I hope and am still looking for something or some things that are 1 way and only 1 way because I don't like the perspective that everything is the persons perspective because it has a feeling of anxiety that it brings me because I like most humans take comfort in knowing that something is a certain way and will be that same way when I come back to it later, it's a stability I guess you could call it and that's not present in the perspective that all is perspective . "if" is conditional, it's neither true, nor false, but something in between. Until we're not sure in any "ifs", no need to be pretty sure in the answers on them. I agree |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 4, 2022 23:29:08 GMT
No. Truth is truth. All men are mortal. It doesn't have any "lesser", "greater". The sum of inner angles/corners of a triangle = 180*. It is truth, and has no "lesser"/"greater". I am a liar - is not a true, not a false, but it doesn't "lesser"/"greater" at the same time. 1. There are degrees of mortality as evidenced by the quality of health of the individual. Those who are ill have a higher degree of mortality than the other. 2. The change in degrees of the angles is the change in forms, the triangle is relative to the other forms and cannot exist without them due to contrast...we cannot envision one form without the other as evidenced by the multiplicity of things. We are not taught that only triangle exists, we are taught the multiplicity of forms. These forms are variations of degrees thus are grades....one is the gradation of the other thus the triangle is a grade of the forms. A rectangle is composed of more triangles then a simple line, it also has more triangles in it than a simple triangle. 3. There are degrees to which one is a liar or truth teller as evidence by the respective repetition of lies/truth telling in their lives. People share degrees of both. 4. As argued in points 1 through 3 all things are composed of grades in one respect and in another respect act as the relative beginning points of grades in another. |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 4, 2022 23:33:10 GMT
But what if you live forever transcending this life? Then not all men are mortal Because some are immortal And it can continue like this as we chase semantics because although it might seem like some things are 1 way and only 1 way and not challengeable That is just because we as a people have decided on what was going to be called a fact and what was still up for evaluation but fundamentally speaking that's just not the case However I hope and am still looking for something or some things that are 1 way and only 1 way because I don't like the perspective that everything is the persons perspective because it has a feeling of anxiety that it brings me because I like most humans take comfort in knowing that something is a certain way and will be that same way when I come back to it later, it's a stability I guess you could call it and that's not present in the perspective that all is perspective . "if" is conditional, it's neither true, nor false, but something in between. Until we're not sure in any "ifs", no need to be pretty sure in the answers on them. As conditional it is absolute as "x" only occurs under "ab" context while "y" only observes under "dc" context. In other words certain things happening under specific contexts necessitates those contexts as having absolute results. "If" only observes what will happen under "x" context but it is not known whether "x" context will occur...."if" is the absence of knowing what context will occur. For example "if it rains tomorrow then things will get wet" necessitates "rains tomorrow" as a context which is not known (ie we don't know that it will rain tomorrow but we know what happens under the given context of "rain tomorrow"). |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 4, 2022 23:36:32 GMT
No. Truth is truth. All men are mortal. It doesn't have any "lesser", "greater". The sum of inner angles/corners of a triangle = 180*. It is truth, and has no "lesser"/"greater". I am a liar - is not a true, not a false, but it doesn't "lesser"/"greater" at the same time. But what if you live forever transcending this life? Then not all men are mortal Because some are immortal And it can continue like this as we chase semantics because although it might seem like some things are 1 way and only 1 way and not challengeable That is just because we as a people have decided on what was going to be called a fact and what was still up for evaluation but fundamentally speaking that's just not the case However I hope and am still looking for something or some things that are 1 way and only 1 way because I don't like the perspective that everything is the persons perspective because it has a feeling of anxiety that it brings me because I like most humans take comfort in knowing that something is a certain way and will be that same way when I come back to it later, it's a stability I guess you could call it and that's not present in the perspective that all is perspective . So your truth value is determined by what something makes you feel? |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 5, 2022 12:41:06 GMT
No. Truth is truth. All men are mortal. It doesn't have any "lesser", "greater". The sum of inner angles/corners of a triangle = 180*. It is truth, and has no "lesser"/"greater". I am a liar - is not a true, not a false, but it doesn't "lesser"/"greater" at the same time. 1. There are degrees of mortality as evidenced by the quality of health of the individual. Those who are ill have a higher degree of mortality than the other. 2. The change in degrees of the angles is the change in forms, the triangle is relative to the other forms and cannot exist without them due to contrast...we cannot envision one form without the other as evidenced by the multiplicity of things. We are not taught that only triangle exists, we are taught the multiplicity of forms. These forms are variations of degrees thus are grades....one is the gradation of the other thus the triangle is a grade of the forms. A rectangle is composed of more triangles then a simple line, it also has more triangles in it than a simple triangle. 3. There are degrees to which one is a liar or truth teller as evidence by the respective repetition of lies/truth telling in their lives. People share degrees of both. 4. As argued in points 1 through 3 all things are composed of grades in one respect and in another respect act as the relative beginning points of grades in another. 1. No, it's not. Either men are mortal, or they are not mortal, there are not third option. So, what if someone is ill? Let's say there are two persons A and B, and A is ill. By your logic, A is more mortal, then B. But B dies accidentally. So, what what about mortality? Moreover, let's say there are two large communities A and B. A has larger number of ill persons, than B, but then tsunami occurs and B die everyone. I see any reason to put degrees in a casual way. As we know from logic, than any casualties don't imply anything. 2. Oh, no, I don't think it's a go go argument. I was talking of a priori only things. There were no a posteriori. 3. "There are degrees to which one is a liar or truth teller as evidence by the respective repetition of lies/truth telling in their lives. People share degrees of both" - No, those repetitions are unnecessary. So, what if I or someone else never repeat those liar/truth-teller? Which degree can have a statement like Sun is the name of the star, or xxxxxxxxx just posted that: ""There are degrees to which one is a liar or truth teller as evidence by the respective repetition of lies/truth telling in their lives. People share degrees of both""? Nonsense. 4. No. 1 and 3 means nothing. Not all the things have degrees. Electrons don't have them. Our thoughts don't have them. Truths or falsies don't have them either. |
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Post by MAYA-EL on Aug 10, 2022 7:16:46 GMT
But what if you live forever transcending this life? Then not all men are mortal Because some are immortal And it can continue like this as we chase semantics because although it might seem like some things are 1 way and only 1 way and not challengeable That is just because we as a people have decided on what was going to be called a fact and what was still up for evaluation but fundamentally speaking that's just not the case However I hope and am still looking for something or some things that are 1 way and only 1 way because I don't like the perspective that everything is the persons perspective because it has a feeling of anxiety that it brings me because I like most humans take comfort in knowing that something is a certain way and will be that same way when I come back to it later, it's a stability I guess you could call it and that's not present in the perspective that all is perspective . So your truth value is determined by what something makes you feel? How is that what you gather from what I said? |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 11, 2022 21:23:08 GMT
So your truth value is determined by what something makes you feel? How is that what you gather from what I said? "However I hope and am still looking for something or some things that are 1 way and only 1 way because I don't like the perspective that everything is the persons perspective because it has a feeling of anxiety that it brings me" |
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Post by MAYA-EL on Aug 11, 2022 22:28:44 GMT
How is that what you gather from what I said? "However I hope and am still looking for something or some things that are 1 way and only 1 way because I don't like the perspective that everything is the persons perspective because it has a feeling of anxiety that it brings me" Exactly my point, so how are you coming to that conclusion ? Because I made it clear that the opinion that I hold IE everything is the person's perspective Is a perspective that I don't like but I still hold because I'm not after patting myself on the back or feeling good I'm 1st and for most after whatever is the most accurate and that I wish it wasn't this way but it is. Get it now? |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 11, 2022 22:49:58 GMT
"However I hope and am still looking for something or some things that are 1 way and only 1 way because I don't like the perspective that everything is the persons perspective because it has a feeling of anxiety that it brings me" Exactly my point, so how are you coming to that conclusion ? Because I made it clear that the opinion that I hold IE everything is the person's perspective Is a perspective that I don't like but I still hold because I'm not after patting myself on the back or feeling good I'm 1st and for most after whatever is the most accurate and that I wish it wasn't this way but it is. Get it now? If you wish the truth to be any other way then you are not fully accepting the truth. |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 11, 2022 22:57:06 GMT
1. There are degrees of mortality as evidenced by the quality of health of the individual. Those who are ill have a higher degree of mortality than the other. 2. The change in degrees of the angles is the change in forms, the triangle is relative to the other forms and cannot exist without them due to contrast...we cannot envision one form without the other as evidenced by the multiplicity of things. We are not taught that only triangle exists, we are taught the multiplicity of forms. These forms are variations of degrees thus are grades....one is the gradation of the other thus the triangle is a grade of the forms. A rectangle is composed of more triangles then a simple line, it also has more triangles in it than a simple triangle. 3. There are degrees to which one is a liar or truth teller as evidence by the respective repetition of lies/truth telling in their lives. People share degrees of both. 4. As argued in points 1 through 3 all things are composed of grades in one respect and in another respect act as the relative beginning points of grades in another. 1. No, it's not. Either men are mortal, or they are not mortal, there are not third option. So, what if someone is ill? Let's say there are two persons A and B, and A is ill. By your logic, A is more mortal, then B. But B dies accidentally. So, what what about mortality? Moreover, let's say there are two large communities A and B. A has larger number of ill persons, than B, but then tsunami occurs and B die everyone. I see any reason to put degrees in a casual way. As we know from logic, than any casualties don't imply anything. 2. Oh, no, I don't think it's a go go argument. I was talking of a priori only things. There were no a posteriori. 3. "There are degrees to which one is a liar or truth teller as evidence by the respective repetition of lies/truth telling in their lives. People share degrees of both" - No, those repetitions are unnecessary. So, what if I or someone else never repeat those liar/truth-teller? Which degree can have a statement like Sun is the name of the star, or xxxxxxxxx just posted that: ""There are degrees to which one is a liar or truth teller as evidence by the respective repetition of lies/truth telling in their lives. People share degrees of both""? Nonsense. 4. No. 1 and 3 means nothing. Not all the things have degrees. Electrons don't have them. Our thoughts don't have them. Truths or falsies don't have them either. 1. Mortality is the absence of life. If one is sick then they have less life than someone who is not sick. 2. All a priori things, when communicated, become a posteriori things thus become relative. 3. All being is repetition as being is continuous through repetition. The degrees to which we repeat x define who we are. One can be more of a truth teller than a liar and vice versa. 4. The positions of electrons in time an space are the electrons as degrees as time and space is degrees (more in one time/space then another time/space). Thoughts are degrees as well considering we ponder more/less x then y. |
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