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Post by gater on Aug 1, 2019 3:56:32 GMT
The Universe is infinite space, time and matter. Meaning that the Universe extends forever and it has always been here. Matter forming stars and planets endlessly. 1 Space - space does not expand. The true meaning of space is area without matter, and emptiness can not end without hitting an object - but then it wouldn't be empty space, so logically space cant end. 2 Time - Time is a constant - it does not slow down or stop. Don't confuse Time with Time Dilation. 3 Matter - matter can change form, and its energy stays in the Universe. Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter. Gravity has no effect on time or space.
The Big Bang Theory is popular but its false - its based on a flawed theory that Gravity effects Time, and that space expands. If there was a "Big Bang" it would only account for the start of our galaxy and surrounding area.
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Post by gater on Aug 14, 2019 23:49:09 GMT
ah, but you see the galaxies that are furthest from us are observed to move away from us at the fastest speeds, thus there are only 2 mathematical possibilities: 1) we are at the center of the universe, and everything is moving away from us or 2) our universe is a 4d hyper-sphere but we can only see the 3d hyper-surface of it. This is trickier to understand because the concept of 4d space is weird. The analogy is to imagine flat 2d beings living on top of a 3D spherical universe. If that sphere is expanding, then objects furthest away from ANY observers in that universe will observe furthest objects to recede away at the fastest speed. (Picture yourself as a 2d being living on an expanding 3d sphere) Then in our universe, its the same, but we just add an extra dimension. The best ever book on dimensions and math is totally free online, beautifully written, and it changed my perspective on cosmology when I read it over 30 years ago. It was published in 1884! That was some time before the expansion was observed, which is incredible! Try this: www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/201 Those Galaxies Are Farther Away Than They Appear to Be
Space continues to be created by the substance from a previous and still-existing universe that travels at c². 1 - there is no center of the Universe 2 - theres only 3 dimensions
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 15, 2019 4:09:47 GMT
Good then you should be able to lift a 100lb weight with one hand, over your head, with no effort. On the moon maybe Thus gravity affects you.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 15, 2019 4:10:25 GMT
Those Galaxies Are Farther Away Than They Appear to Be
Space continues to be created by the substance from a previous and still-existing universe that travels at c². 1 - there is no center of the Universe 2 - theres only 3 dimensions
Why?
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Post by jonbain on Aug 16, 2019 0:22:50 GMT
ah, but you see the galaxies that are furthest from us are observed to move away from us at the fastest speeds, thus there are only 2 mathematical possibilities: 1) we are at the center of the universe, and everything is moving away from us or 2) our universe is a 4d hyper-sphere but we can only see the 3d hyper-surface of it. This is trickier to understand because the concept of 4d space is weird. The analogy is to imagine flat 2d beings living on top of a 3D spherical universe. If that sphere is expanding, then objects furthest away from ANY observers in that universe will observe furthest objects to recede away at the fastest speed. (Picture yourself as a 2d being living on an expanding 3d sphere) Then in our universe, its the same, but we just add an extra dimension. The best ever book on dimensions and math is totally free online, beautifully written, and it changed my perspective on cosmology when I read it over 30 years ago. It was published in 1884! That was some time before the expansion was observed, which is incredible! Try this: www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/201 Those Galaxies Are Farther Away Than They Appear to Be
Space continues to be created by the substance from a previous and still-existing universe that travels at c². yes, but not c^2 its not a velocity
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Post by jonbain on Aug 16, 2019 0:33:35 GMT
Those Galaxies Are Farther Away Than They Appear to Be
Space continues to be created by the substance from a previous and still-existing universe that travels at c². 1 - there is no center of the Universe 2 - theres only 3 dimensions
If there are only 3 dimensions of space then the earth is at the dead center of the universe. You need to carefully consider how the furthest galaxies appear to have the greatest velocities. Imagine an explosion with furthest parts moving fastest. It would be geometrically certain that the starting point of the explosion can be determined by examining and reversing the trajectories of the exploding particles. This geometry is used quite often in all sorts of ballistic analysis.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 16, 2019 0:43:47 GMT
we have approached the question whether gravity effects time from many different angles, you should have a look at the documentary space time by pbs. matter is mass-less energy bent around in a very tiny circle. As with anything mass-less, it still has gravity from it's movement. Gravity has no effect on time. Gravity is created when large groups of matter gather together - as in a planet or star, even our moon has gravity, proportionately to its size. Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter - Gravity has no effect on time or space. pbs is wrong, gater is correct to say matter is mass-less is woeful because the only way to measure gravity is via mass all post-Newtonian theory on gravity reduces to self-contradictory sophistry and the pseudo-scientist in chief, is named Albert Einstein. Gravity has no effect on time. Gravity is created when large groups of matter gather together - as in a planet or star, even our moon has gravity, proportionately to its size. Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter - Gravity has no effect on time or space. Good then you should be able to lift a 100lb weight with one hand, over your head, with no effort. gravity has no effect ON time or space - but gravity is effected BY time and space - two very different principles when the relativists claim that gravity alters time and space its the equivalent of trying to pick yourself up by your own boot-straps
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Post by jonbain on Aug 16, 2019 0:46:44 GMT
What is forever though? How can it physically be represented? What if it just grows and grows or expands and expands but that's a bit different than goes on forever... an object that spins in a void will spin forever unless interfered by some other object or force, of course either the universe expands forever or it eventually begins to contract again...
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Post by gater on Aug 16, 2019 1:02:10 GMT
1 - there is no center of the Universe 2 - theres only 3 dimensions
If there are only 3 dimensions of space then the earth is at the dead center of the universe. You need to carefully consider how the furthest galaxies appear to have the greatest velocities. Imagine an explosion with furthest parts moving fastest. It would be geometrically certain that the starting point of the explosion can be determined by examining and reversing the trajectories of the exploding particles. This geometry is used quite often in all sorts of ballistic analysis. There are only 3 dimensions and there is no center. Moving matter is just that.
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Post by gater on Aug 16, 2019 1:03:29 GMT
What is forever though? How can it physically be represented? What if it just grows and grows or expands and expands but that's a bit different than goes on forever... an object that spins in a void will spin forever unless interfered by some other object or force, of course either the universe expands forever or it eventually begins to contract again... The Universe has always been infinite - and always will be.
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Post by gater on Aug 16, 2019 1:07:26 GMT
Gravity has no effect on time. Gravity is created when large groups of matter gather together - as in a planet or star, even our moon has gravity, proportionately to its size. Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter - Gravity has no effect on time or space. pbs is wrong, gater is correct to say matter is mass-less is woeful because the only way to measure gravity is via mass all post-Newtonian theory on gravity reduces to self-contradictory sophistry and the pseudo-scientist in chief, is named Albert Einstein. Good then you should be able to lift a 100lb weight with one hand, over your head, with no effort. gravity has no effect ON time or space - but gravity is effected BY time and space - two very different principles when the relativists claim that gravity alters time and space its the equivalent of trying to pick yourself up by your own boot-straps Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter - Gravity has no effect on time or space - and time and space has no effect on Gravity.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 16, 2019 2:12:49 GMT
Gravity has no effect on time. Gravity is created when large groups of matter gather together - as in a planet or star, even our moon has gravity, proportionately to its size. Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter - Gravity has no effect on time or space. pbs is wrong, gater is correct to say matter is mass-less is woeful because the only way to measure gravity is via mass all post-Newtonian theory on gravity reduces to self-contradictory sophistry and the pseudo-scientist in chief, is named Albert Einstein. Good then you should be able to lift a 100lb weight with one hand, over your head, with no effort. gravity has no effect ON time or space - but gravity is effected BY time and space - two very different principles when the relativists claim that gravity alters time and space its the equivalent of trying to pick yourself up by your own boot-straps Gravity is time and space.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 16, 2019 15:00:41 GMT
Why to take Time then?
Matter is enough to be taken here when you put "change" to the set of its properties.
"Time" is what we call a function of a position of a certain point relatively to another point (surely, we must determine it firstly as an ability of a visual objekt). There's no way to determine it psychologically, but at least we're able to imagine it. Presumably, an imagination ability allows us to think logically. So, in the imaginative field of our mind, if a point was put to it, and the point moved by some curve line relatively to another point or a line of that point (in case if the last point is moving). And now we would have the right "time".
There is no other forms of reality that can be taken as something that lurks behind the point. It's just our imaginative habit. Clear logical thinking shows that we're able to get rid of that. What we cannot be avoidable is our chance to understand the consequences without putting nothing to the meaning of it. And "putting a meaning" means to imagine or to create something with what contains our "meaning".
I'm not sure there's a logical connection between your arguments. We can't derive it straightly. At least we must aim some statistical and relative points. Quantum logic allows us to "think" that we think much more wider, but it's not obvious. Every next time we must recheck what we imagine.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Aug 16, 2019 17:09:52 GMT
Those Galaxies Are Farther Away Than They Appear to Be
Space continues to be created by the substance from a previous and still-existing universe that travels at c². yes, but not c^2 its not a velocity As in The Corsican Brothers (Cheech and Chong Entanglement)E=mc² is the formula of a collision. Fission causes the release of energy from an outside universe. C² travels a light-year within 3 minutes; the chain reaction slows it down to c so quickly that no one thinks of measuring the first collision. It also explains why entanglement seems to be two particles affected simultaneously, but it is actually one particle going back and forth at that velocity. Einstein and Planck stumbled across what is actually going on, but they came out with irrational explanations for it.
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Post by gater on Aug 17, 2019 0:14:02 GMT
pbs is wrong, gater is correct to say matter is mass-less is woeful because the only way to measure gravity is via mass all post-Newtonian theory on gravity reduces to self-contradictory sophistry and the pseudo-scientist in chief, is named Albert Einstein. gravity has no effect ON time or space - but gravity is effected BY time and space - two very different principles when the relativists claim that gravity alters time and space its the equivalent of trying to pick yourself up by your own boot-straps Gravity is time and space. Gravity is created when a large amount of matter collects and forms a moon, planet, or star. Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter. Gravity has no effect on time or space.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 17, 2019 20:27:32 GMT
pbs is wrong, gater is correct to say matter is mass-less is woeful because the only way to measure gravity is via mass all post-Newtonian theory on gravity reduces to self-contradictory sophistry and the pseudo-scientist in chief, is named Albert Einstein. gravity has no effect ON time or space - but gravity is effected BY time and space - two very different principles when the relativists claim that gravity alters time and space its the equivalent of trying to pick yourself up by your own boot-straps Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter - Gravity has no effect on time or space - and time and space has no effect on Gravity. Gravity decreases by the inverse of the distance - so the more space between you and the mass the weaker it is. The longer amount of time you are exposed to the force of gravity, the more its effects accumulate: -so- gravity is effected by space and time that's the basic principle from Newton.
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