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Post by gater on Aug 1, 2019 3:56:32 GMT
The Universe is infinite space, time and matter. Meaning that the Universe extends forever and it has always been here. Matter forming stars and planets endlessly. 1 Space - space does not expand. The true meaning of space is area without matter, and emptiness can not end without hitting an object - but then it wouldn't be empty space, so logically space cant end. 2 Time - Time is a constant - it does not slow down or stop. Don't confuse Time with Time Dilation. 3 Matter - matter can change form, and its energy stays in the Universe. Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter. Gravity has no effect on time or space.
The Big Bang Theory is popular but its false - its based on a flawed theory that Gravity effects Time, and that space expands. If there was a "Big Bang" it would only account for the start of our galaxy and surrounding area.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 4, 2019 18:59:19 GMT
The wheel the road and the creation of space thread. Space is perpetual creation.
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Post by gater on Aug 4, 2019 23:20:14 GMT
Space is empty area.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 4, 2019 23:32:47 GMT
Space is empty area. And what is emptiness?
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Post by gater on Aug 5, 2019 1:20:14 GMT
Empty, as in an area that does not contain any matter.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 5, 2019 9:27:57 GMT
Empty, as in an area that does not contain any matter. And what is matter? If it strictly is non space, but contains area...what separates matter from being space?
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Post by gater on Aug 5, 2019 17:55:36 GMT
Matter is substance - atoms, molecules, etc. - anything that occupies space. Every point in the Universe is either occupied by matter or space.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Aug 5, 2019 20:13:56 GMT
All Is Lava Space itself is a substance, so it can't be empty. That is an extension of saying a bottle is empty, even though it has air in it. Space was created by an eruption from another universe, just like a bulge on a ball. The substance that entered, at c², became matter, light, energy, and space itself.
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Post by gater on Aug 5, 2019 21:35:35 GMT
Space is not a substance - space is an area without matter. Infinite space has always been here.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 5, 2019 23:17:12 GMT
Space is not a substance - space is an area without matter. Infinite space has always been here. And what is matter? A substance. And what is a substance? It is grounded in atoms/waves. And what are atoms and waves? They eventually break down to point particles and alternating lines....it ends as space forms. Space through space as space where space is pure movement as no movement (much in the same manner a wheel spinning at a rate of infinity appears still) any form of change effectively is multiple infinites. I will have to elaborate on the multiple infinities part.
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Post by gater on Aug 6, 2019 5:31:06 GMT
Space doesn't form - space has always been infinite - that's what space is.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 6, 2019 20:39:03 GMT
Space doesn't form - space has always been infinite - that's what space is. So the fundamental forms of the point, line and circle...which form all phenomenon both abstract and empirical...are not spatial? You cannot create a dichotomy between spatial and non-spatial realities without using basic spatial axioms as the forms which govern those realities.......even reading this argument requires basic linear direction in both reading and writing, is broken down to points of observation as a point of observation in itself, and maintains a circularity due to its self referencing. The Munchauseen trillema, that which annihilates the vast majority of philosophy, sets the foundation for platonic forms which necessitates space as the foundation of consciousness and being as well as divinity.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 6, 2019 22:05:44 GMT
Space is the universal axiom evidenced by the dot as both beginning of all phenomenon and a universal symbol that resonates with the psyche.
As a universal axiom it is self referencing through all phenomenom, and as such maintains its groundings as the foundations of consciousness equivalent to divine mind (in both the socratic and non-socratic sense.)
This self referencing nature of the point effectively makes it the foundation for all abstract and empirical realities; hence substance.
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Post by gater on Aug 8, 2019 1:25:23 GMT
Substance is matter - Space is area without matter. Empty space can not end. This is not a new idea, some of the early Greek philosophers believed this too. In 2021 a telescope will be launched that will be 100 time more powerful than Hubble, maybe scientists will finally conclude space is infinite, but I doubt it. Infinity is something we'll never see - it has to be understood through Logic.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 9, 2019 0:48:16 GMT
Substance is matter - Space is area without matter. Empty space can not end. This is not a new idea, some of the early Greek philosophers believed this too. In 2021 a telescope will be launched that will be 100 time more powerful than Hubble, maybe scientists will finally conclude space is infinite, but I doubt it. Infinity is something we'll never see - it has to be understood through Logic. Space is area. Matter is area. Area can be both space and matter. But area is defined by the limits which contain it. And these limits are always based upon spatial form...this includes matter. What we understand of matter is fundamentally multiple spatial limits...or space qua space. Matter effectively is space in multiple states of being, no different than 1 line being compose of 3 lines is still a line. What divides the lines, as spatial forms, is a point of inversion, where 1 line changes into many lines. This point effectively is space, and so is the line. Thus the question occurs are there multiple types of space? And the answer is no if space is viewed as the primary origin of quantity. All that exists, using the above example, is one line but this one line is viewed through many lines. The "many" is an approximation of "one" because we cannot fully observe space because of its infinite nature. This is considering infinity cannot be proven. However, infinity can neither be disproved considering the line is composed of infinite lines as one line. When we observe the quantity of 1, or any quantity for that matter as a recursion of 1, what we are observing is an infinity. This is considering 1 is assumed and as assumed it exists through an infinite continuum of assumptions that allow for its definition. This is no different than 1 being observed because of 2, then 3, etc. It maintains itself as true because it maintains itself through these numbers, as all numbers are composed of 1...even a fraction/fractal still requires 1/n(1):::1 ***::: means contains as an element 1, because I am on an ipad. Hence 1 in maintained through an infinite sets of cycles, through the number line, with each number as a self referencing cycle of 1 being infinite in itself. This is defined, assumed, and maintained by the Munchauseen trillema. Launching a telescope cannot prove infinite space, nor disprove it. Infinity is axiomatic through point space, hence no "tool" can prove or disprove it without requiring another tool, then another tool...ad infinitum. A proof of infinity, using a measurement apparatus, would require an infinite regress of tools to identify a singularity that is the prerequisite to infinity.
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