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Post by gater on Aug 1, 2019 3:56:32 GMT
The Universe is infinite space, time and matter. Meaning that the Universe extends forever and it has always been here. Matter forming stars and planets endlessly. 1 Space - space does not expand. The true meaning of space is area without matter, and emptiness can not end without hitting an object - but then it wouldn't be empty space, so logically space cant end. 2 Time - Time is a constant - it does not slow down or stop. Don't confuse Time with Time Dilation. 3 Matter - matter can change form, and its energy stays in the Universe. Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter. Gravity has no effect on time or space.
The Big Bang Theory is popular but its false - its based on a flawed theory that Gravity effects Time, and that space expands. If there was a "Big Bang" it would only account for the start of our galaxy and surrounding area.
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Post by gater on Aug 13, 2019 0:31:39 GMT
The problem is that you are trying to make sense of what can be seen through a telescope, and not using Logic to understand what the Universe is. in 2021 a telescope will be launched that will be 100 times more powerful than Hubble and can answer questions about movement of matter.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 13, 2019 0:50:35 GMT
The problem is that you are trying to make sense of what can be seen through a telescope, and not using Logic to understand what the Universe is. in 2021 a telescope will be launched that will be 100 times more powerful than Hubble and can answer questions about movement of matter. So what you are saying is that if we make a telescope big enough we can prove infinity? And how does that work? Like the atomic collider which must be made bigger and bigger in an infinite regress to see how far we can break down matter?
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Post by gater on Aug 13, 2019 1:05:33 GMT
No - Infinity can not ever be proven by seeing it, you can not see what is infinite - it has to be understood with Logic.
But with a powerful telescope you can get more information as to why matter is moving the way it is.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 13, 2019 1:07:52 GMT
No - Infinity can not ever be proven by seeing it, you can not see what is infinite - it has to be understood with Logic. But with a powerful telescope you can get more information as to why matter is moving the way it is. And it needs to be interpreted with logic...it is a continual cycle...one forms the other.
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Post by gater on Aug 13, 2019 1:18:55 GMT
Well I suppose some conclude that if we can see 50 billion light years then it probably goes on forever, while others wont conclude that. The only way to know is through Logic.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 13, 2019 1:21:55 GMT
Well I suppose some conclude that if we can see 50 billion light years then it probably goes on forever, while others wont conclude that. The only way to know is through Logic. I have learned in my short years that "both/and" is usually the best answer.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 13, 2019 3:40:16 GMT
What is forever though? How can it physically be represented?
What if it just grows and grows or expands and expands but that's a bit different than goes on forever...
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Post by Coenclucyon on Aug 13, 2019 13:08:17 GMT
we have approached the question whether gravity effects time from many different angles, you should have a look at the documentary space time by pbs. matter is mass-less energy bent around in a very tiny circle. As with anything mass-less, it still has gravity from it's movement.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 14, 2019 1:18:49 GMT
we have approached the question whether gravity effects time from many different angles, you should have a look at the documentary space time by pbs. matter is mass-less energy bent around in a very tiny circle. As with anything mass-less, it still has gravity from it's movement. Mass takes volume when it is projected in physics. This is observed in geometry with the projection of the point into a line. This is observed in the number line where the dot as 0 projects as 1 or the line. This is observed in meditation where emptiness projects itself into form, or our everyday thoughts. This is observed in sociology, where the individual individuates by projecting him/her self from a mass and thus gains an identity (ie politics, war, etc.) This is observed in quantum mechanics where a particle spontaneously comes from void. This is observed in actuality and potentiality, where potentiality as formless mass projects itself and hence actualizes. This is observed in reproduction where the egg/womb projects forth form with womb/egg representing a state of previous emptiness. Etc. The common ground is nothingness takes form through projection, and this projective nature is grounded in direction as movement. Mass, void, Od space, potentiality, are variations of the same thing.
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Post by gater on Aug 14, 2019 18:13:47 GMT
we have approached the question whether gravity effects time from many different angles, you should have a look at the documentary space time by pbs. matter is mass-less energy bent around in a very tiny circle. As with anything mass-less, it still has gravity from it's movement. Gravity has no effect on time. Gravity is created when large groups of matter gather together - as in a planet or star, even our moon has gravity, proportionately to its size. Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter - Gravity has no effect on time or space.
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Post by gater on Aug 14, 2019 18:20:37 GMT
What is forever though? How can it physically be represented? What if it just grows and grows or expands and expands but that's a bit different than goes on forever... Theres a 8 on its side that represents infinity. What is infinite does not expand because its already infinite.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 14, 2019 21:10:36 GMT
What is forever though? How can it physically be represented? What if it just grows and grows or expands and expands but that's a bit different than goes on forever... Theres a 8 on its side that represents infinity. What is infinite does not expand because its already infinite. Infinite movement is a boundary in itself. What is infinite can expand. Take for example a simple line. It is composed of infinitely manifesting lines. However in the context of the "one line" the line is always the same. We see changes relative to other lines, as ratios of the 1 line. But each line on it's own follows the same form and function of the original line. The line, as a singular entity, can be infinitely expanding without any change as the expanse is relative to itself as a self referencing entity. Thus the line is a continuum.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 14, 2019 21:11:42 GMT
we have approached the question whether gravity effects time from many different angles, you should have a look at the documentary space time by pbs. matter is mass-less energy bent around in a very tiny circle. As with anything mass-less, it still has gravity from it's movement. Gravity has no effect on time. Gravity is created when large groups of matter gather together - as in a planet or star, even our moon has gravity, proportionately to its size. Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter - Gravity has no effect on time or space. Good then you should be able to lift a 100lb weight with one hand, over your head, with no effort.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Aug 14, 2019 23:03:18 GMT
Space does not expand - matter can move away from other matter giving the appearance of expansion. ah, but you see the galaxies that are furthest from us are observed to move away from us at the fastest speeds, thus there are only 2 mathematical possibilities: 1) we are at the center of the universe, and everything is moving away from us or 2) our universe is a 4d hyper-sphere but we can only see the 3d hyper-surface of it. This is trickier to understand because the concept of 4d space is weird. The analogy is to imagine flat 2d beings living on top of a 3D spherical universe. If that sphere is expanding, then objects furthest away from ANY observers in that universe will observe furthest objects to recede away at the fastest speed. (Picture yourself as a 2d being living on an expanding 3d sphere) Then in our universe, its the same, but we just add an extra dimension. The best ever book on dimensions and math is totally free online, beautifully written, and it changed my perspective on cosmology when I read it over 30 years ago. It was published in 1884! That was some time before the expansion was observed, which is incredible! Try this: www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/201 Those Galaxies Are Farther Away Than They Appear to Be
Space continues to be created by the substance from a previous and still-existing universe that travels at c².
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Post by gater on Aug 14, 2019 23:46:28 GMT
Gravity has no effect on time. Gravity is created when large groups of matter gather together - as in a planet or star, even our moon has gravity, proportionately to its size. Gravity is created by matter and only effects matter - Gravity has no effect on time or space. Good then you should be able to lift a 100lb weight with one hand, over your head, with no effort. On the moon maybe
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