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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 11, 2018 6:17:58 GMT
...accept Jesus as the Messiah? Are they just hoping for a cruel warrior to arise?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 11, 2018 19:41:20 GMT
Therefore Judaism is junk. This should answer your question. That's true too. Just Talmud or whatever it is isn't part of OT. Not sure who decided to make it up even but it's just an addition to scripture that God never gave but people gave Shrug The Talmud is just a collection of commentaries by rabbis, literally the commandments and doctrines if men which God tells us to avoid, the same that the scribes and Pharisees were teaching during Christ’s time on earth
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 12, 2018 1:53:33 GMT
. Let's quote the verse to see what it doesn't actually say. Zechariah 13:2 2 “It shall be in that day,” says the Lord of hosts, “that I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, and they shall no longer be remembered. I will also cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to depart from the land. 3 It shall come to pass that if anyone still prophesies, then his father and mother who begot him will say to him, ‘You shall not live, because you have spoken lies in the name of the Lord.’ And his father and mother who begot him shall thrust him through when he prophesies. Ok, so there's a day for this right? Yeah. Seems like more during the second coming of Jesus. Why do I say that? Because that's when the idols will be destroyed by the Messiah as well as all sin too.Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk. So idol worshippers will be killed or they'll repent. So, Jesus will destory idols as it says. Still qualifies as MessiahOk...let's quote the verse. Isaiah 11:9 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord As the waters cover the sea The world does know of God. We have scripture in like every language that is necessary. And if they don't wish to listen to it now it won't matter because they will later and know the knowledge they don't want to know now by bowing to God. See belowPhilippians 2:10-11 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. so yeah...the earth will have full knowledge of God and even bow to Him.Let's quote it. Isaiah 11:6-9 “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them. 7 The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 The nursing child shall play by the cobra’s hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord As the waters cover the sea. There's not even one thing about us (humans) eating here. Therefore, says nothing about being vegetarian. Just says the animals are under God's control. That's it. Says nothing else regarding animalsLet's quote it. Ezekiel 36:24 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. So gathers somehow and brings them somewhere. Says nothing else there. Well, Revelation 7 says the 12 tribes there and 144,000 were gathered from them and brought into a new land. Just because people don't know who is part of what tribe, doesn't mean God doesn't know. SmhIsaiah 2:2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the Lord’s house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it. First of all says nothing about a temple or about anything being rebuilt. Those words aren't even in there. Just talks about a mountain mostly that contains a house.Seems likes it's talking about the house of the new Jerusalem where it's on top of the mountains and is exalted by nations. Read RevelationRevelations 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 21 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal. And best of all... Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. There's still NO temple SmhNow the Ezekiel stuff... Ezekiel 26-28 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.” So covenant was made in NT. It was fulfilled by His blood. Verses still say nothing about a temple being rebuilt. Temple and rebuilt aren't words found there. Now let's see what this tabernacle and santuary mean...Ezekiel says the tabernacle will be with His people and that He will be their God. This is seen in Revelation.Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. Ezekiel and Revelation both don't claim the tabernacle as a physical thing. More like a contract or promise between God and His people. Simple.Now what did Ezekiel mean by sanctuary? Hebrew 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. So Ezekiel and Hebrew both don't state that a sanctuary is a physical thing. A minister of the sanctuary is ministering God's word. And scripture says God's word will never pass away. Which is what Ezekiel meant when he said sanctuary will be forever.To be continued.... DKTrav88 Was explained in first part. It's about John the Baptist mostly as the angel said in the verses I quoted.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 12, 2018 2:46:12 GMT
I saw and I agree I should have remembered this, but the KJV says Elias instead of Elijah.. that's one of the few things I don't like about the KJV, it puts different names in for Bible characters, like Noe, Elias, Esaias, and a couple others. Wish it didn't do that shrug
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Post by MEGA on Jul 12, 2018 5:43:46 GMT
First of all says nothing about a temple or about anything being rebuilt. Those words aren't even in there. Just talks about a mountain mostly that contains a house.Seems likes it's talking about the house of the new Jerusalem where it's on top of the mountains and is exalted by nations. Read RevelationThere's still NO temple Smh IN Earth as it is “WITHIN-YOU” 1. ) Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, IN Earth as it is IN Heaven. (Matthew 6:10) 2. ) Jesus answered, “God’s kingdom is coming, but not in a way that you will be able to see with your eyes… The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU. (Luke 17:20-21) 3.) Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done IN Earth as it is IN Heaven “WITHIN YOU” 4. ) And I saw NO-TEMPLE -THEREIN : for the Lord God Almighty and THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE of it. (Revelation 21:22) 5. ) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. (1 Corinthians 12:12) 6.) What? know ye not that YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE of the HOLY GHOST which is IN YOU, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. (1 Corinthians 6:19 - 20) 7.) He that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. (1 Corinthians 6:17) 8 .) And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. (Revelation 21:23) 9.) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12) 10.) Jesus said Y O U are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. (Matthew 5:14) 11. ) Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. (Matthew 5:15) 12. ) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is In Heaven . (Matthew 5:16) 13.) Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. (Isaiah 60:1) 14.) A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time. (Isaiah 60:22)
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Post by MEGA on Jul 12, 2018 5:46:45 GMT
Interior decoration .
In Earth
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 12, 2018 5:51:57 GMT
There isn't a physical temple as I have been saying.
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Post by PISTON1246 on Sept 21, 2018 0:12:18 GMT
I don't believe anyone who speaks against our creator's laws is a messiah.
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Post by fschmidt on Sept 21, 2018 1:07:42 GMT
I don't believe anyone who speaks against our creator's laws is a messiah. Specifically?
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Post by PISTON1246 on Sept 21, 2018 20:36:33 GMT
I don't believe anyone who speaks against our creator's laws is a messiah. Specifically? The guy (who's name I won't mention) say we can eat all foods, including the ones Hashem said were unclean and an abomination for one thing. Then he forgives adultery, but I can't condemn that case because there was no evidence she did it and I don't remember them saying she was married.
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Post by fschmidt on Sept 21, 2018 22:34:49 GMT
The guy (who's name I won't mention) say we can eat all foods, including the ones Hashem said were unclean and an abomination for one thing. Jesus never said this. He said that food doesn't morally defile a person, and this is correct. The rabbis are crazy to believe that Old Testament dietary law is some form of worship. These laws were health laws and this is clear from context. So Jesus is right and the rabbis/Pharisees are wrong. Muhammad kept the rule against pork and got rid of the rest, which I think makes sense based on biology and that is what I do as an Old Testament follower. This is just a made-up story, something that Jesus almost certainly didn't do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adulteryI am not Christian, I follow the Old Testament. It is clear to me that Jesus understood the Torah much better than the insane Talmudic rabbis. For more:
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Post by PISTON1246 on Sept 22, 2018 17:31:24 GMT
The guy (who's name I won't mention) say we can eat all foods, including the ones Hashem said were unclean and an abomination for one thing. Jesus never said this. He said that food doesn't morally defile a person, and this is correct. The rabbis are crazy to believe that Old Testament dietary law is some form of worship. These laws were health laws and this is clear from context. So Jesus is right and the rabbis/Pharisees are wrong. Muhammad kept the rule against pork and got rid of the rest, which I think makes sense based on biology and that is what I do as an Old Testament follower. This is just a made-up story, something that Jesus almost certainly didn't do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adulteryI am not Christian, I follow the Old Testament. It is clear to me that Jesus understood the Torah much better than the insane Talmudic rabbis. For more: Go ahead and eat shrimp, lobster, rabbit, and all those other meats that are described as unclean and an abomination if you want.
I think Hashem knows more about biology then a human biologist.
You say your religion is Old Testament, yet you don't want to obey the laws in it...ALL of them...
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 22, 2018 17:37:10 GMT
Jesus never said this. He said that food doesn't morally defile a person, and this is correct. The rabbis are crazy to believe that Old Testament dietary law is some form of worship. These laws were health laws and this is clear from context. So Jesus is right and the rabbis/Pharisees are wrong. Muhammad kept the rule against pork and got rid of the rest, which I think makes sense based on biology and that is what I do as an Old Testament follower. This is just a made-up story, something that Jesus almost certainly didn't do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adulteryI am not Christian, I follow the Old Testament. It is clear to me that Jesus understood the Torah much better than the insane Talmudic rabbis. For more: Go ahead and eat shrimp, lobster, rabbit, and all those other meats that are described as unclean and an abomination if you want.
I think Hashem knows more about biology then a human biologist.
You say your religion is Old Testament, yet you don't want to obey the laws in it...ALL of them...
You say you love G-d but you don't really serve him. Jesus said followers of Judaism : John 8:44-45 King James Version (KJV) 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
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Post by PISTON1246 on Sept 22, 2018 17:40:10 GMT
Go ahead and eat shrimp, lobster, rabbit, and all those other meats that are described as unclean and an abomination if you want.
I think Hashem knows more about biology then a human biologist.
You say your religion is Old Testament, yet you don't want to obey the laws in it...ALL of them...
You say you love G-d but you don't really serve him. Jesus said followers of Judaism : John 8:44-45 King James Version (KJV) 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. You love his law over Hashem's law.
Hashem is a murderer, to you?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 22, 2018 17:45:22 GMT
God is the Creator for me. But the followers of Talmudic Judaism have no connection with the God of Abraham. A simple example, even Maimonides(authority of Judaism) did not know the Kabbalah is evident from his works!
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Post by PISTON1246 on Sept 22, 2018 17:49:44 GMT
God is the Creator for me. But the followers of Talmudic Judaism have no connection with the God of Abraham. A simple example, even Maimonides(authority of Judaism) did not know the Kabbalah is evident from his works! I believe Hashem is God's name.
I don't believe anyone has the authority to overturn His laws.
You can have your New Testament if you want.
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