Why doesn't Judaism...

But why must it be a political leader to them? Where are their biblical verses for this? Just sounds like they're waiting for the antichrist Shrug

Messiah literally means a leader and savior of people.

Their main argument is that there are supposedly no 2 coming...their teaching is based on the racist Talmud! Shrug

Found this out there on the interwebs; perhaps we can rebuke it,

“According to the Jewish definition of the term, the Real Messiah will make changes in the real world, changes that one can see and perceive and be able to prove because these changes take place in the real world. It is for this task that the real messiah has been anointed in the first place, hence the term, messiah -- one who is anointed. These changes, that one will be able to see and perceive in the real world, include:

The Messiah is preceded by Elijah the prophet who, with the Messiah, unifies the family (Malachi 4:5-6), which is contradicted by Jesus in Matthew 10:34-37.
The Messiah re-establishes the Davidic dynasty through the messiah's own children (Daniel 7:13-14). But Jesus had no children.
The Messiah brings an eternal peace between all nations, between all peoples, and between all people (Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-4; Ezekiel 39:9). Obviously there is no peace. Furthermore, Jesus said that his purpose in coming was to bring a sword, and not peace (see Matthew 10:34, as referenced above.)
The Messiah brings about the universal world-wide conversion of all peoples to Judaism, or at least to Ethical Monotheism (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Zechariah 8:23; Isaiah 11:9; Zechariah 14:9,16). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
The Messiah brings about an end to all forms of idolatry (Zechariah 13:2). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
The Messiah brings about a universal recognition that the Jewish idea of God is God (Isaiah 11:9). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
The Messiah leads the world to become vegetarian (Isaiah 11:6-9). It isn't.
The Messiah gathers to Israel, all of the twelve tribes (Ezekiel 36:24). Many of the ten lost tribes remain lost.
The Messiah rebuilds The Temple (Isaiah 2:2; Ezekiel 37:26-28). It hasn't been rebuilt.
There will be no more famine (Ezekiel 36:29-30). People starve to death every day.
After the Messiah comes, death will eventually cease (Isaiah 25:8). People die every day.
Eventually the dead will be resurrected (Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2; Ezekiel 37:12-13; Isaiah 43:5-6);
The nations of the earth will help the Jews, materially (Isaiah 60:5-6; 60:10-12;
The Jews will be sought out for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23);
All weapons will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9,12);
The Nile will run dry (Isaiah 11:15)
Monthly, the trees of Israel will yield their fruit (Ezekiel 47:12);
Each tribe of Israel will receive and settle their inherited land (Ezekiel 47:13-13);
The nations of the earth will recognize that they have been wrong, that the Jews have been right, and that the sins of the Gentile nations, their persecutions and the murders they committed, have been borne by the Jewish people (Isaiah 53)
These Biblically based changes in the world are very real, very perceivable, very noticeable, and knowable. But the changes that Christianity claims were made by Jesus are not perceivable at all. They must be accepted on faith, and faith alone. How can one know that Jesus died for their sins, except by faith? How can one know that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, except by the faith in the historical truth of the Christian's New Testament? There is no birth certificate. The changes made by the Messiah according to Judaism are very provable, but the changes made by the Messiah, Jesus, according to Christianity can only be taken on faith.

Even Christians recognize that none of the changes made by the Messiah according to Judaism as read in the Bible have not happened yet. This is why Christianity invented the idea of a Second Coming. The real Messiah has no need to come a second time to do those things he must do the first time around in order to actually be the Messiah.”

I’m not sure exactly what Malachi 4:5-6 is referring to. Maybe it’s referring to the two prophets of revelation? I’m sure someone has more insight on this than myself.

I’ll start off by pointing out that Daniel 7:13-14 says nothing about Messiah having children;
Daniel 7:13-14 KJV
[13] I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. [14] And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Second, Isaiah 2:2-4 starts off with “And it shall come to pass in the last days,” which has to do with Christ’s second coming. The Jews claim their messiah will come to bring peace to the world which Jesus didn’t do during His first coming;
Luke 12:51 KJV
[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
He brings peace at the end of His second coming.
..Micah 4:1-4 also starts off with “But in the last days it shall come to pass,” which again is in reference to Christ’s second coming.
Ezekiel 39:9 I’m not sure has to do with the coming of Messiah or bringing peace, thought verse 8 says “Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.” “this is the day” meaning the “the great and dreadful day of the LORD”? Any thoughts?

Any thoughts on these other verses used to support Judaism’s claim that Jesus is not the Messiah?

“The Messiah brings about an end to all forms of idolatry (Zechariah 13:2). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.”

In order to understand what day is being spoken of in Zechariah 13:2, you have to read from chapter 11 on. From there it references “that day” over and over which is referring to the “great and dreadful day of the LORD”, the second coming of Christ.

Essentially, the Jews aren’t going understand scripture because God is preventing them from seeing the truth.

Romans 9:30-33 KJV
[30] What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. [31] But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. [32] Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; [33] As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Romans 11:7-10 KJV
[7] What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded [8] (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day. [9] And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: [10] Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

1 Corinthians 1:18-25 KJV
[18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. [19] For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. [20] Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? [21] For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. [22] For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: [23] But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; [24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. [25] Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

OT references,
Jeremiah 5:20-23 KJV
[20] Declare this in the house of Jacob, and publish it in Judah, saying, [21] Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not: [22] Fear ye not me? saith the Lord : will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it? [23] But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.

Ezekiel 12:1-6 KJV
[1] The word of the Lord also came unto me, saying, [2] Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house. [3] Therefore, thou son of man, prepare thee stuff for removing, and remove by day in their sight; and thou shalt remove from thy place to another place in their sight: it may be they will consider, though they be a rebellious house. [4] Then shalt thou bring forth thy stuff by day in their sight, as stuff for removing: and thou shalt go forth at even in their sight, as they that go forth into captivity. [5] Dig thou through the wall in their sight, and carry out thereby. [6] In their sight shalt thou bear it upon thy shoulders, and carry it forth in the twilight: thou shalt cover thy face, that thou see not the ground: for I have set thee for a sign unto the house of Israel.

Isaiah 6:8-10 KJV
[8] Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me. [9] And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. [10] Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Looking forward to the continuation😊

Talmudic isn't scripture just junk.