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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 14, 2018 23:07:13 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 14, 2018 23:15:30 GMT
Oh my gosh sad They need to stop targeting schools. If they want to kill someone they can start with themselves because at least their own life they are at liberty to take.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 14, 2018 23:21:29 GMT
Oh my gosh They need to stop targeting schools. If they want to kill someone they can start with themselves because at least their own life they are at liberty to take. Every day is such a shit!
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Post by gemmay on Feb 15, 2018 6:43:38 GMT
It's tragic, but unfortunately it doesn't come as a surprise, things like this are bound to happen, however sad they are. Sick.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 15, 2018 6:53:11 GMT
So it is 17 who died right? Or could be more since some are injured in the hopital right? My phone is currently being slow today so couldn't read much of it on my phone to know details.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 7:12:00 GMT
here is the gun control in practice
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 15, 2018 7:18:06 GMT
here is the gun control in practice No one has guns there? I rather get them taken away. This is way too common in the USA and it's getting old.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 7:21:57 GMT
Thats the Agenda . They wana disarm the people . There is a fair deate of false flag whenever such tragic events happen
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 7:32:28 GMT
False Flag, now the fake stream news will be clogged for days while diverting your attention from whats really going on behind the scenes
Is this just another staged event to justify more gun legislation? A lone gunman (a manipulated loony or agent provocateur with fake blood squibs under his clothes), response police using blank cartridges, the suspect is caught and taken away. Then he disappears into the prison system...or so they say. Sometimes the gunman is told to actually waste some people, I'm sure. But these aren't random loony's. And the Oscar goes to.....CIA, NSA, FBI?
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Post by AmericanCharm on Feb 15, 2018 8:01:46 GMT
States that have adopted more lenient guns laws see up to a 50% drop in violent crime (nonviolent crime rates go up). This is evident on the FBI, ATF and White House website. Additionally, approximately 5 million violent crimes are stopped each year by legally carrying civilians. We have a crime problem, not a gun problem. Especially since the guy had a gun illegally, and illegally brought it into a gun free zone. More laws will not help. Some people don’t know why we have the 2nd amendment. 1776 will commence again if you try to take our guns. The strict gun laws in Mexico have really done a world of good (sarcasm). The criminals will find a way to get guns. There is 270 million total owned guns in the U.S, a quarter of our population own firearms. This is part of what makes it nearly impossible to invade us.
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Post by Mocha on Feb 15, 2018 14:09:12 GMT
I'm unsure how gun control is going to help. We already have "murder control", that didn't stop him either.
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Post by xero_art on Feb 20, 2018 9:33:11 GMT
I'm unsure how gun control is going to help. We already have "murder control", that didn't stop him either. NRA State Rankings:5 best: - Arizona (34th safest from violent crime)
- Alaska (50th safest from violent crime)
- Kansas (32th safest from violent crime)
- Oklahoma (37th safest from violent crime)
- Montana (26th safest from violent crime)
5 worst: - New York (28th safest from violent crime)
- Massachusetts (33th safest from violent crime)
- New Jersey (13th safest from violent crime)
- Hawaii (20th safest from violent crime)
- California (38th safest from violent crime)
Using FBI Rankings in 2015, violent crime ranking of those states(1 being lowest violent crimes)Please tell me again how gun control doesn't stop violent crimes. The fact of the matter is that people are dying. Everyday. In large numbers. And that means nothing. It means nothing because nothing will be done to fix it. Sure, we can improve mental health services. But, we can't even talk about gun control. Why is that? The second amendment, right? Well, let's take a look at the second amendment for once rather than just saying the words, the right to bare arms. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Hmm, pretty cut and dry, no? No! "Security of a free State" I'll go right on ahead and say it, the State in question is not the United States of America. It is not some grand ideal nation of free people. It is a state. It is North Carolina, Delaware, Georgia, Virginia... They were referring to the States of the Union. The National Guard. To defend a state from a tyrannical federal government, the state has authority over the national guard. Moreover, let us just assume that the founding fathers, revolutionaries that they were, did believe the purpose was for every man to have a gun in order to defend himself from the government were it to ever turn against his interests. In what sane mind is that even possible now? How is the very unregulated 'militia' of gun-toting loons going to go up against a tyrannical US government? That's nonsense. But the most important fact is this: The second amendment does not stand alone as an argument. The second amendment, as well as the other 9 in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution itself are not perfect. If they were, where did we get the other 17 amendments from? The founding fathers themselves argued over the intent behind the words in the Constitution. The very men who ratified it were not all in agreement on what it meant. So, 229 years later, we're supposed to take it as gospel? Now, to the idea that it's too late to take away guns. Apparently, there are too many guns owned right now so any measure would be useless. If we don't do anything now, that argument can and will be used 50 years from now. Sure, there will be push back. And, I'm not arguing that we send in SWAT and the ATF to raid homes for guns. But measures must be taken. Make it more difficult for guns to come into civilian possession, take guns when you can, specifically assault rifles. Eventually, with time, there will be fewer and fewer and it will be easier for the ATF or FBI to catch sellers and buyers. Yes, murder is illegal and people still murder. So should we legalize murder. Frankly this argument, if it can even be called that, holds no water. If you are comparing guns to murder, you are either saying murder should be legal because banning it has no effect(not true) or you are saying guns should be illegal regardless of if such a ban will actually take them off the streets. All the conspiracy theories about false flags and all that is utter garbage. I won't waste my time rebutting them as you're either joking or there is no way to change your opinion on the matter Lastly, gemmay: The most tragic thing is that it is not a surprise. It used to be this would shock the nation. That wasn't even that long ago. Now it's #thoughtsandprayers and move on. It will happen again. More people will die. But those deaths mean nothing to the NRA and the gun manufacturers supporting them. It means nothing as they continue to count the cash their fear-mongering gets them. You think the gun-control lobby is trying to use fear? Sure. Real fear. Real events like in Parkland. Real statistics. The NRA wants to scare you with the fictional liberal out here trying take away every gun and every bullet. They want you to fear your government. Why? So you'll buy a gun and a membership, maybe support a candidate who'll loosen gun restrictions, so you'll buy more guns.
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Post by Mocha on Feb 20, 2018 15:37:29 GMT
I'm unsure how gun control is going to help. We already have "murder control", that didn't stop him either. NRA State Rankings:5 best: - Arizona (34th safest from violent crime)
- Alaska (50th safest from violent crime)
- Kansas (32th safest from violent crime)
- Oklahoma (37th safest from violent crime)
- Montana (26th safest from violent crime)
5 worst: - New York (28th safest from violent crime)
- Massachusetts (33th safest from violent crime)
- New Jersey (13th safest from violent crime)
- Hawaii (20th safest from violent crime)
- California (38th safest from violent crime)
Using FBI Rankings in 2015, violent crime ranking of those states(1 being lowest violent crimes)Please tell me again how gun control doesn't stop violent crimes. The fact of the matter is that people are dying. Everyday. In large numbers. And that means nothing. It means nothing because nothing will be done to fix it. Sure, we can improve mental health services. But, we can't even talk about gun control. Why is that? The second amendment, right? Well, let's take a look at the second amendment for once rather than just saying the words, the right to bare arms. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Hmm, pretty cut and dry, no? No! "Security of a free State" I'll go right on ahead and say it, the State in question is not the United States of America. It is not some grand ideal nation of free people. It is a state. It is North Carolina, Delaware, Georgia, Virginia... They were referring to the States of the Union. The National Guard. To defend a state from a tyrannical federal government, the state has authority over the national guard. Moreover, let us just assume that the founding fathers, revolutionaries that they were, did believe the purpose was for every man to have a gun in order to defend himself from the government were it to ever turn against his interests. In what sane mind is that even possible now? How is the very unregulated 'militia' of gun-toting loons going to go up against a tyrannical US government? That's nonsense. But the most important fact is this: The second amendment does not stand alone as an argument. The second amendment, as well as the other 9 in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution itself are not perfect. If they were, where did we get the other 17 amendments from? The founding fathers themselves argued over the intent behind the words in the Constitution. The very men who ratified it were not all in agreement on what it meant. So, 229 years later, we're supposed to take it as gospel? Now, to the idea that it's too late to take away guns. Apparently, there are too many guns owned right now so any measure would be useless. If we don't do anything now, that argument can and will be used 50 years from now. Sure, there will be push back. And, I'm not arguing that we send in SWAT and the ATF to raid homes for guns. But measures must be taken. Make it more difficult for guns to come into civilian possession, take guns when you can, specifically assault rifles. Eventually, with time, there will be fewer and fewer and it will be easier for the ATF or FBI to catch sellers and buyers. Yes, murder is illegal and people still murder. So should we legalize murder. Frankly this argument, if it can even be called that, holds no water. If you are comparing guns to murder, you are either saying murder should be legal because banning it has no effect(not true) or you are saying guns should be illegal regardless of if such a ban will actually take them off the streets. All the conspiracy theories about false flags and all that is utter garbage. I won't waste my time rebutting them as you're either joking or there is no way to change your opinion on the matter Lastly, gemmay: The most tragic thing is that it is not a surprise. It used to be this would shock the nation. That wasn't even that long ago. Now it's #thoughtsandprayers and move on. It will happen again. More people will die. But those deaths mean nothing to the NRA and the gun manufacturers supporting them. It means nothing as they continue to count the cash their fear-mongering gets them. You think the gun-control lobby is trying to use fear? Sure. Real fear. Real events like in Parkland. Real statistics. The NRA wants to scare you with the fictional liberal out here trying take away every gun and every bullet. They want you to fear your government. Why? So you'll buy a gun and a membership, maybe support a candidate who'll loosen gun restrictions, so you'll buy more guns. >Please tell me again how gun control doesn't stop violent crimes. Because people can and do get guns illegally. Because guns are neither the only weapon nor the deadliest weapon terrorists use. Because if someone wants to do something illegal (ie. murder), they aren't going to be stopped because their prefered method of achieving it (eg. guns) is illegal. The only way you will change my mind is if you can both: * Propose a method to prevent all, or at least most illegal gun acquisition * Propose a non-specific test to identify weapons that should be illegal, in a way inapplicable to anything that shouldn't be illegal. Until then, I do not see the pros outweighing the cons.
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Post by Polaris on Feb 20, 2018 20:41:47 GMT
this is sad.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 21, 2018 5:13:33 GMT
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