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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 28, 2023 18:08:32 GMT
It is – how to make people live in peace and harmony; to support each other, not to set against each other.
All the history of mankind this problem is still a problem without a tiniest step closer.
If atoms were studied, the galaxies, and the universe have been explored very well. Not that riddle – it is as unsolved as thousands years ago.
No solutions are available?
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Apr 28, 2023 19:59:44 GMT
It is – how to make people live in peace and harmony; to support each other, not to set against each other. All the history of mankind this problem is still a problem without a tiniest step closer. If atoms were studied, the galaxies, and the universe have been explored very well. Not that riddle – it is as unsolved as thousands years ago. No solutions are available? You are assuming peace and harmony is needed.
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Post by joustos on Apr 28, 2023 20:22:05 GMT
It is – how to make people live in peace and harmony; to support each other, not to set against each other. All the history of mankind this problem is still a problem without a tiniest step closer. If atoms were studied, the galaxies, and the universe have been explored very well. Not that riddle – it is as unsolved as thousands years ago. No solutions are available? the problem/riddle is not HOW TO MAKE PEOPLE LIVE IN PEACE AN HARMONY --- nobody can-- but to induce children to desire and and prefer peace to strife. It is always a two-sided situation. Parents have to learn how to experiment....No guidelines yet.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 28, 2023 21:24:26 GMT
It is – how to make people live in peace and harmony; to support each other, not to set against each other. All the history of mankind this problem is still a problem without a tiniest step closer. If atoms were studied, the galaxies, and the universe have been explored very well. Not that riddle – it is as unsolved as thousands years ago. No solutions are available? You are assuming peace and harmony is needed. Can't say this is deductive, because it's not necessary that peace and harmony is the purpose of life. Let's say those anti-war hippies would loose if UFO came here to set a war against humanity. So, I really don't know. Actually, peace and harmony is death. It's like in a proverb: "Dead men tell no tales". And women love those who get rid of contestants. Maybe that's why we can't live in peace and harmony. This is still a riddle. Hippies didn't have an answer.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 28, 2023 21:27:21 GMT
It is – how to make people live in peace and harmony; to support each other, not to set against each other. All the history of mankind this problem is still a problem without a tiniest step closer. If atoms were studied, the galaxies, and the universe have been explored very well. Not that riddle – it is as unsolved as thousands years ago. No solutions are available? the problem/riddle is not HOW TO MAKE PEOPLE LIVE IN PEACE AN HARMONY --- nobody can-- but to induce children to desire and and prefer peace to strife. It is always a two-sided situation. Parents have to learn how to experiment....No guidelines yet. It's a very good tip. However, by yours it's impossible to solve it, so sooner or later children or grown-ups start quarrels and conflicts. What do you think on that to change a human nature. If there are no guidelines and who knows maybe there won't be any, so maybe it's time to adjust ourselves (if this would be possible)?
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on May 3, 2023 18:43:04 GMT
You are assuming peace and harmony is needed. Can't say this is deductive, because it's not necessary that peace and harmony is the purpose of life. Let's say those anti-war hippies would loose if UFO came here to set a war against humanity. So, I really don't know. Actually, peace and harmony is death. It's like in a proverb: "Dead men tell no tales". And women love those who get rid of contestants. Maybe that's why we can't live in peace and harmony. This is still a riddle. Hippies didn't have an answer. The desire for peace and harmony is an absence of peace and harmony.
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Post by rexa on May 3, 2023 20:04:13 GMT
There are ppl who chose to live in harmony and there are ppl who chose not to live in harmony. Conflicts, disagreement are part of any social life..there is nothing depressing about it and surely it's not a riddle. A very immature mind would want to wish for all goodie goodie stuff. Coming to the guidelines there are 2 billions morons living in the world abiding by the guidelines, basically dumbed down to its finest.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 4, 2023 15:08:55 GMT
Can't say this is deductive, because it's not necessary that peace and harmony is the purpose of life. Let's say those anti-war hippies would loose if UFO came here to set a war against humanity. So, I really don't know. Actually, peace and harmony is death. It's like in a proverb: "Dead men tell no tales". And women love those who get rid of contestants. Maybe that's why we can't live in peace and harmony. This is still a riddle. Hippies didn't have an answer. The desire for peace and harmony is an absence of peace and harmony. No, I still can't agree, however this seems to be a very good point. I shall explain: Anselm Canterbury also thought that there must be a perfect being. If it was true his Ontological argument would be also true. But who said, or why it must be necessary that there are perfect being or beings? There are no necessity for it, so the peace and harmony must be some kind of a stimulus or a point, however, it doesn't mean that that point must be reached. And along with it this also doesn't mean that we cannot try to reach it. There are circled actions, so it might appear that we're living in some kind of a circled reality with self-related actions, and this ends in endless tries to fulfill the un-fulfilled wishes.
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Post by jonbain on May 4, 2023 19:50:59 GMT
If on average, people gave 51% and took 49%, there would soon be no need for any strife, it would become as close to paradise as this world can get.
Its not a particularly difficult riddle to solve in principle. But its the subconscious shortage that makes people want more than is sustainable.
There is no short-cut to getting people to look within themselves as to what is really driving their egos.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 4, 2023 20:19:54 GMT
If on average, people gave 51% and took 49%, there would soon be no need for any strife, it would become as close to paradise as this world can get. Its not a particularly difficult riddle to solve in principle. But its the subconscious shortage that makes people want more than is sustainable. There is no short-cut to getting people to look within themselves as to what is really driving their egos. Golden words. I wish I gave more, than I took. God allowed me to exist a certain period of time here. Just only for an ability to exist I have to be thankful for Him. Even if I were a worm, I still had to be thankful. I have to be thankful, but am I? I doubt :(
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on May 5, 2023 18:31:48 GMT
The desire for peace and harmony is an absence of peace and harmony. No, I still can't agree, however this seems to be a very good point. I shall explain: Anselm Canterbury also thought that there must be a perfect being. If it was true his Ontological argument would be also true. But who said, or why it must be necessary that there are perfect being or beings? There are no necessity for it, so the peace and harmony must be some kind of a stimulus or a point, however, it doesn't mean that that point must be reached. And along with it this also doesn't mean that we cannot try to reach it. There are circled actions, so it might appear that we're living in some kind of a circled reality with self-related actions, and this ends in endless tries to fulfill the un-fulfilled wishes. You read it wrong or I should have been clearer: If you desire something you do not have it, we do not desire what we already have because in having it that desire is satiated. In other terms if you desire peace/harmony then you do not possess peace/harmony...it is not that peace and harmony don't exist.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on May 5, 2023 18:32:44 GMT
The absence of peace and harmony is driven by desire...so get rid of desire.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 5, 2023 19:06:17 GMT
No, I still can't agree, however this seems to be a very good point. I shall explain: Anselm Canterbury also thought that there must be a perfect being. If it was true his Ontological argument would be also true. But who said, or why it must be necessary that there are perfect being or beings? There are no necessity for it, so the peace and harmony must be some kind of a stimulus or a point, however, it doesn't mean that that point must be reached. And along with it this also doesn't mean that we cannot try to reach it. There are circled actions, so it might appear that we're living in some kind of a circled reality with self-related actions, and this ends in endless tries to fulfill the un-fulfilled wishes. You read it wrong or I should have been clearer: If you desire something you do not have it, we do not desire what we already have because in having it that desire is satiated. In other terms if you desire peace/harmony then you do not possess peace/harmony...it is not that peace and harmony don't exist. But here's the problem. I guess I read you correctly. You didn't say anything about perfect beings, however this is what peace & harmony is about. Surely we can say about some kind of gradations or shades of that peace & harmony, but who cares about such ones? Let's say that you, me, and some other people have 63% of peace&harmony. Definitely this is good, than to have 60% of peace&harmony, but it's still not 100% of it. So, until 100% is reached peace&harmony would be at the level of desire. Moreover, it's not truth that there are no peace & harmony. God allowed us to exist. Even if I were a worm it would be the priceless gift for me, because even being a worm I would have existence. There is no more valuable thing, than existence. Because lack of it makes everything be absolutely meaningless and useless. So, having existence and something additional to it - this is already a part of that peace & harmony.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on May 5, 2023 19:38:35 GMT
You read it wrong or I should have been clearer: If you desire something you do not have it, we do not desire what we already have because in having it that desire is satiated. In other terms if you desire peace/harmony then you do not possess peace/harmony...it is not that peace and harmony don't exist. But here's the problem. I guess I read you correctly. You didn't say anything about perfect beings, however this is what peace & harmony is about. Surely we can say about some kind of gradations or shades of that peace & harmony, but who cares about such ones? Let's say that you, me, and some other people have 63% of peace&harmony. Definitely this is good, than to have 60% of peace&harmony, but it's still not 100% of it. So, until 100% is reached peace&harmony would be at the level of desire. Moreover, it's not truth that there are no peace & harmony. God allowed us to exist. Even if I were a worm it would be the priceless gift for me, because even being a worm I would have existence. There is no more valuable thing, than existence. Because lack of it makes everything be absolutely meaningless and useless. So, having existence and something additional to it - this is already a part of that peace & harmony. Imperfect peace/harmony is simultaneously both peace/harmony and not peace/harmony. It is a contradiction. Dually perfect peace/harmony contrasts against imperfect/peace harmony thus is also dependent upon contradiction.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 5, 2023 20:17:36 GMT
But here's the problem. I guess I read you correctly. You didn't say anything about perfect beings, however this is what peace & harmony is about. Surely we can say about some kind of gradations or shades of that peace & harmony, but who cares about such ones? Let's say that you, me, and some other people have 63% of peace&harmony. Definitely this is good, than to have 60% of peace&harmony, but it's still not 100% of it. So, until 100% is reached peace&harmony would be at the level of desire. Moreover, it's not truth that there are no peace & harmony. God allowed us to exist. Even if I were a worm it would be the priceless gift for me, because even being a worm I would have existence. There is no more valuable thing, than existence. Because lack of it makes everything be absolutely meaningless and useless. So, having existence and something additional to it - this is already a part of that peace & harmony. Imperfect peace/harmony is simultaneously both peace/harmony and not peace/harmony. It is a contradiction. Dually perfect peace/harmony contrasts against imperfect/peace harmony thus is also dependent upon contradiction. So what? This time you're chasing the wild geese. If all unicorns have one horn, and a horn is solid, therefore unicorns have solid horns - that's an absurd. You cannot entail from this something indeed healthy. I was talking about that each of us exist, and that was a gift. Peace and harmony may have gradations. Sun beams can shine you more or less intensive, doesn't it?
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