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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 13, 2022 18:42:07 GMT
The Theory of Forms was introduced by Plato. Aristotle criticized it. I. Plato's theory briefly: - forms exist;
- a form makes a thing be that thing;
- if there are no relevant form, there are no relevant thing;
- for any group of things there is a form.
II. Aristotle's critique briefly: - forms don't exist;
- for any set of forms there is another form which is leading to the infinity;
- a thing to be a thing has an essence of itself within it;
- the essence in a thing is a section of the existence of that thing.
III. Critique on Aristotle's critique: - there's no need in using either essence, or existence;
- there's no need to consider a thing to be equal to itself;
- numbers exists;
- a number may be taken as a form.
Firstly, let me explain some points and try to answer them. III.b: the whole ided (of the theory of forms) appeared, because there was a problem: how can a thing changes being itself? So, this argument says that we might have a series of changes and still this thing would be itself, not because of any inner support. Briefly, there's no need to look up for any inner idea or inner explanations in that thing. Let's have a look on this tablet: the previous form of the thing A | the next form of the thing A | function 1 | function 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
As we may see those sets as {0,0}, {0,1}, {1,0}, and {1,1} - are possible conditions or steps for the thing A. In other words, whether or not it changes. This means that either one of forms are presented in A, or neither of them, or maybe both. Let's look onto the next tablet: No | the thing A as a pig | the thing A as a rock | the thing A as space | 1. Before it appears | a number of chromosomes | SiO and other silicates | space | 2. Early beginning | a fetus | Si2O3 and SiO | space | 3. First steps | a baby pig | a conglomerate of Si, etc | space | 4. Most known form | a pig | a conglomerate of Si, etc | space | 5. After its appearing | HS and othe salts | a dust of Si, etc | space |
As you can see the last column shows that if that thing A is the space, then it hasn't been changing at all, while such things as pigs or rocks have some changes. But if you look precisely you will see that even in steps 1-5 the space can be different (let's say 1 is one space and in 4 is some other one). How anybody can prove that in all those steps the space is the same? Moreover, there's nothing that must say us that the baby pig and the pig must be one and the same. Who knows, maybe one second later I was a different one? So, this tablet aims to explain why the theory of forms can be broken even without Aristotle's metaphysics.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 28, 2022 15:10:13 GMT
All is needed to calculate are objects, because you have to calculate something, not nothing. What numbers do you need for this: decimal, hexagon, binary? You don't need any. Object is an object. You've said it by yourself saying P=P is the same as P. Objects are forms as objects have limits/boundaries and limits/boundaries necessitate form. Numbers as quantifiers point to forms, the number line is evidence of this. Can't say a quantificator is prior to numbers. The quantifier is a part of the sentence (seldom: a word's part). And without numbers there were no attempts to use a word. If a part of the word was uncertain or uncountable, there were no parts: a. Everyting can be viewed in parts b. Sum of parts = everything c. If sum of parts > everything, then parts are uncertain or uncountable d. If parts are uncertain or uncountable, they are not parts at all e. Viweing in parts requires a process of calculation
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Feb 2, 2022 21:42:57 GMT
Objects are forms as objects have limits/boundaries and limits/boundaries necessitate form. Numbers as quantifiers point to forms, the number line is evidence of this. Can't say a quantificator is prior to numbers. The quantifier is a part of the sentence (seldom: a word's part). And without numbers there were no attempts to use a word. If a part of the word was uncertain or uncountable, there were no parts: a. Everyting can be viewed in parts b. Sum of parts = everything c. If sum of parts > everything, then parts are uncertain or uncountable d. If parts are uncertain or uncountable, they are not parts at all e. Viweing in parts requires a process of calculation I said "numbers as quantifiers" (i.e. numbers are quantifiers). I never said quantifiers are prior to numbers. Numbers are words. Without numbers words still exist, example: "This sentence exists".
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 9, 2022 13:48:55 GMT
Can't say a quantificator is prior to numbers. The quantifier is a part of the sentence (seldom: a word's part). And without numbers there were no attempts to use a word. If a part of the word was uncertain or uncountable, there were no parts: a. Everyting can be viewed in parts b. Sum of parts = everything c. If sum of parts > everything, then parts are uncertain or uncountable d. If parts are uncertain or uncountable, they are not parts at all e. Viweing in parts requires a process of calculation I said "numbers as quantifiers" (i.e. numbers are quantifiers). I never said quantifiers are prior to numbers. Numbers are words. Without numbers words still exist, example: "This sentence exists". Text below (Ukrainian): Ти сказав, що речення існує, але дивись, ти сказав "речення". Ти ж не сказав, "багато речень". Тобто, ти використав однину, а не множину. Більше того, ти сказав "існує", а не, скажімо, "існувало колись", або "буде існувати". Звідкіля мені знати, що означає "існувати", якщо я не можу збагнути чи це "існувало раніш", чи це "буде колись існувати"? Кожен іменник має число, рід, відміну. Взагалі, мови відрізняються. Англійська не була першою в світі, вона є похідною з латини та грецької.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Feb 10, 2022 0:06:28 GMT
I said "numbers as quantifiers" (i.e. numbers are quantifiers). I never said quantifiers are prior to numbers. Numbers are words. Without numbers words still exist, example: "This sentence exists". Text below (Ukrainian): Ти сказав, що речення існує, але дивись, ти сказав "речення". Ти ж не сказав, "багато речень". Тобто, ти використав однину, а не множину. Більше того, ти сказав "існує", а не, скажімо, "існувало колись", або "буде існувати". Звідкіля мені знати, що означає "існувати", якщо я не можу збагнути чи це "існувало раніш", чи це "буде колись існувати"? Кожен іменник має число, рід, відміну. Взагалі, мови відрізняються. Англійська не була першою в світі, вона є похідною з латини та грецької. 1. In referencing "singular" or "plural" you are using words not numbers. Numbers exist as words. 2. The sentence "exists" as you assumed it and one can only assume that which exists. To assume is to be imprinted by. A past event occurs as present through the memory, a future event occurs at present through the imagination....all events occur at present given past/future are only observed through the present. The past/future are relative presents. 3. In describing numbers it is not relevant whether which relative language came first (english or latin) but rather that a language existed and exists in describing said numbers. 1=One, One=1. Numbers are language.
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Post by IM LITERALLY NEO on Feb 10, 2022 0:22:19 GMT
Quantification requires assigning numbers to objects, objects are forms. All is needed to calculate are objects, because you have to calculate something, not nothing. What numbers do you need for this: decimal, hexagon, binary? You don't need any. Object is an object. You've said it by yourself saying P=P is the same as P. You're Not Considering The Fundamental Shape Of Objects, They Are Limited To The Basic Geometry Of The Universe, As Well As The Binary Input / Output Of 0 And 1 As A Duality. Name A Single Object On This Planet That Is Not Fundamentally A Type Of Circle, Triangle Or Square, You Can't, Because Every Object On This Planet Is Limited To The Geometry Of The Universe.
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