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Post by Triangle on Jul 13, 2021 0:59:40 GMT
I realize that philosophy, after reading Wittgeinstein, is beyond my capacity. I can ripe the fruits but not seed.
I am not at all a philosopher, and being a philosopher in our times is much more that I can dream.
So, now I have reasons to abandon philosophy.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jul 13, 2021 1:05:57 GMT
I realize that philosophy, after reading Wittgeinstein, is beyond my capacity. I can ripe the fruits but not seed. I am not at all a philosopher, and being a philosopher in our times is much more that I can dream. So, now I have reasons to abandon philosophy. You will realize with most "great" philosophers that the majority of readers have their own interpretation of them given the tremendous complexity of the text(s) leads to an ambiguity where the words of the philosopher, due to absence of clarity from too much definition resulting in ambiguity, reflect the reader's own interpretation. In shorter terms, the vagueness of most philosophic greats lies in the fact that what they say can be reflected in anything. Don't give up or be discouraged. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 13, 2021 15:36:13 GMT
I realize that philosophy, after reading Wittgeinstein, is beyond my capacity. I can ripe the fruits but not seed. I am not at all a philosopher, and being a philosopher in our times is much more that I can dream. So, now I have reasons to abandon philosophy. You know, South, my philosophy don't rest on any wittgensteins. If I met a person I think it's fate, maybe it's my destiny. So whom I've met is the one whom I am responsible. Sometimes not good things happen, and people I know stop liking me anymore, or even worse - do bad things against me. So, what would I do? - Like a wise person I'll try to think about it first. - There the philosophy begins, as I think. And I like when the persons I've met are ok and well. I'm worriying about them more, than any others wittgensteings. As Christ said: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[ |
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Post by fschmidt on Jul 16, 2021 4:38:21 GMT
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Post by Triangle on Jul 16, 2021 13:01:16 GMT
I realize that philosophy, after reading Wittgeinstein, is beyond my capacity. I can ripe the fruits but not seed. I am not at all a philosopher, and being a philosopher in our times is much more that I can dream. So, now I have reasons to abandon philosophy. You know, South, my philosophy don't rest on any wittgensteins. If I met a person I think it's fate, maybe it's my destiny. So whom I've met is the one whom I am responsible. Sometimes not good things happen, and people I know stop liking me anymore, or even worse - do bad things against me. So, what would I do? - Like a wise person I'll try to think about it first. - There the philosophy begins, as I think. And I like when the persons I've met are ok and well. I'm worriying about them more, than any others wittgensteings. As Christ said: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[ The philosopher pays attention to things which I cannot even imagine. If I am bellow or even non-equal Wittgeinstein, I cannot consider myself as a philosopher. But you don't have interest in analyctical philosophy? |
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Post by Triangle on Jul 16, 2021 13:06:05 GMT
I realize that philosophy, after reading Wittgeinstein, is beyond my capacity. I can ripe the fruits but not seed. I am not at all a philosopher, and being a philosopher in our times is much more that I can dream. So, now I have reasons to abandon philosophy. You will realize with most "great" philosophers that the majority of readers have their own interpretation of them given the tremendous complexity of the text(s) leads to an ambiguity where the words of the philosopher, due to absence of clarity from too much definition resulting in ambiguity, reflect the reader's own interpretation. In shorter terms, the vagueness of most philosophic greats lies in the fact that what they say can be reflected in anything. Don't give up or be discouraged. Thanks, I admire Witt but he is my parameter now. If I am bellow him, I cannot do philosophy as a conscious activity. There are so great distance, and well, I will try to make that distance more bearable. Really apreciate your comment. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 16, 2021 13:34:42 GMT
You know, South, my philosophy don't rest on any wittgensteins. If I met a person I think it's fate, maybe it's my destiny. So whom I've met is the one whom I am responsible. Sometimes not good things happen, and people I know stop liking me anymore, or even worse - do bad things against me. So, what would I do? - Like a wise person I'll try to think about it first. - There the philosophy begins, as I think. And I like when the persons I've met are ok and well. I'm worriying about them more, than any others wittgensteings. As Christ said: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[ The philosopher pays attention to things which I cannot even imagine. If I am bellow or even non-equal Wittgeinstein, I cannot consider myself as a philosopher. But you don't have interest in analyctical philosophy? Yes, I do. The reason is I haven't bee studied in any English-speaker Western University where I can get the relevant knowledge in math logic. I've been studying it by myself. Mostly I read Russell, also 50% read of Frege, including Strawson, Ryle, Putnam, Quine, and Vienna Circle: Carnap, Reichenbach, Schlick. Wittgenstain wasn't easy. I haven't completed neither his LPT, not his PI. The xxxxxxxxx did. So, you can ask him about these two books. Despite of major reading of the texts of AP, I'm still not sure and ain't feel I can swim in there. I've been studied the continental one philosophy: Nietzsche, Foucault, Lacane, Kierkegard, Losev, Asmus, K. Otto-Apelt, M. Horkcheimer, J. Habermas. Also, many followers of Heidegger and Husserls were surrounded me, but I never studied them. All those time I was reading AP. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 16, 2021 14:55:07 GMT
There is no need to abandon it. Keep reading and learning things  |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 16, 2021 15:08:35 GMT
There is no need to abandon it. Keep reading and learning things :) I guess South didn't mean that. He wanted to say that all what was said in philosophy was said by Ludwig Wittgenstein in his works. |
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Post by Triangle on Jul 16, 2021 22:50:38 GMT
There is no need to abandon it. Keep reading and learning things haha, I will try, Elizabeth! Nice to see you here! |
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Post by jonbain on Jul 17, 2021 9:44:59 GMT
I realize that philosophy, after reading Wittgeinstein, is beyond my capacity. I can ripe the fruits but not seed. I am not at all a philosopher, and being a philosopher in our times is much more that I can dream. So, now I have reasons to abandon philosophy. That is precisely what moved me from academic philosophy into psychology. But its all of academia that is crap-artistry. Real philosophy still exists. Just not in "quackademia". |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 17, 2021 9:58:51 GMT
I realize that philosophy, after reading Wittgeinstein, is beyond my capacity. I can ripe the fruits but not seed. I am not at all a philosopher, and being a philosopher in our times is much more that I can dream. So, now I have reasons to abandon philosophy. That is precisely what moved me from academic philosophy into psychology. But its all of academia that is crap-artistry. Real philosophy still exists. Just not in "quackademia". By the way, Wittgenstein was always aside from any academical philosophy. Some of members of the Vienna Circle thought that he - Wittgenstein - was an old professor and read his books like it was some old timer's memoirs. Later they had discovered their fail. And must say I don't remember many philosophers of XX centuries who were beyond academies. I guess that only in first decades of XXI it becomes possible with using the global corporation web technology. Soon the Internet swallows us all up, and the free will will become a fairy tale. |
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Post by jonbain on Jul 17, 2021 10:21:13 GMT
Eugene 2.0Well the Oxford doctor in philosophy thinks its real. As did all the Rhodes scholars in the department. When I rejected it outright, I was informally encouraged to leave the department.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 17, 2021 14:24:59 GMT
Eugene 2.0 Well the Oxford doctor in philosophy thinks its real. As did all the Rhodes scholars in the department. When I rejected it outright, I was informally encouraged to leave the department. You didn't lose anything; they did lose you. |
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Post by jonbain on Jul 17, 2021 14:29:39 GMT
Eugene 2.0 Well the Oxford doctor in philosophy thinks its real. As did all the Rhodes scholars in the department. When I rejected it outright, I was informally encouraged to leave the department. You didn't lose anything; they did lose you. sure, but in the 25 years since then they have been degenerating the minds of thousands of students - the town itself is small, and is now falling apart, completely bankrupt, and on the verge of violent anarchy as civil war looms all for the sake of an Oxford fagit's ego-trip but they still refuse to see the connection between mind and world |
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