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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 15, 2021 12:38:35 GMT
The views that belief precedes knowledge and belief can be comprehended are self-inconsistent. Indeed, either we don't know anything about belief, or we know about it something.
It's not counterintuitive that belief has different way to be accepted, because at least its nature doesn't seem to be formal. The last one must be obvious taking into account that any formal definition of it is leading to vicious circles.
Thoughtful essence of belief is that it has not to be just accepted in a formal definition. In turn, it's been already accepted by us if equipping with some suggestions we're following them.
So, in this sense we don't need to prove which one suggestion do we need to choose. If this means precedes knowledge, then there must also be added to this (=there must be noted) that we know what belief is, but we don't require anything else to be sure in it.
In this way, the mentioning views might have been reformulated to belief precedes some knowledge and belief can be comprehended. And what would we got: another contradiction – "some knowledge" means that we know just a part of what we've already know (!).
Thereby, now it's clear: belief doesn't precede knowledge.
P.S. Plenty of thanks to Joustos for support!!
- Answering to the question what kind of belief it is: no, this type of belief isn't necessary religions one. I don't want to view it as religious, well it might bring some burdens.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 16, 2021 15:57:43 GMT
I'm sorry. Probably the link isn't enough good. Anyway, it was said that a woman had been living and working in dark/light (or black/white) room, then went out. She was a scientist who knew anything about colors: from child books to cognitive science. So, when she left the room already, would she see any colors? May I aks you, Microcosm? What is your favourite color? – And when you'll be answering just think about these two things: how to explain (about the favourite colour) about colors not showing them Eugene? how to explain what makes us choose these or those colors as best (and is there any causes)? All colours are acompanied by feeling. If I show you the feeling, also you see the colour. You know, when I'm feeling blue (I mean, each time when I feel depression or sadness) all colours seem dark and faded. Have you ever noticed anything like this? |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jan 16, 2021 19:33:35 GMT
xxxxxxxxx (About #3) It's really true: how do we do any assertions at all? To make an assertion we need another assertions, and for the previous ones – another and another. I guess we need something to have to be able to make an assertion. I don't know the composition of that something, and I don't know anything about resources, etc. But I cannot think that an assertion is made with nothing by no-one. The process of gathering that something might be non-deliberated or accidental. Having got the chaos or non-chaos and somehow an assertion came to a someone's mind... If this process had been repeated plenty of billions of times, it could be... An assertion is that which imprints itself, thus what is imprinted is relatively formless. For an assertion to imprint itself on the mind the mind must be empty. This emptiness is the means we recieve impressions. For example a line is assumed as is. Looking at what occurs behind the assumed line we can see no thought. The line imprints itself on the empty nature of the mind. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 16, 2021 20:15:32 GMT
xxxxxxxxx (About #3) It's really true: how do we do any assertions at all? To make an assertion we need another assertions, and for the previous ones – another and another. I guess we need something to have to be able to make an assertion. I don't know the composition of that something, and I don't know anything about resources, etc. But I cannot think that an assertion is made with nothing by no-one. The process of gathering that something might be non-deliberated or accidental. Having got the chaos or non-chaos and somehow an assertion came to a someone's mind... If this process had been repeated plenty of billions of times, it could be... An assertion is that which imprints itself, thus what is imprinted is relatively formless. For an assertion to imprint itself on the mind the mind must be empty. This emptiness is the means we recieve impressions. For example a line is assumed as is. Looking at what occurs behind the assumed line we can see no thought. The line imprints itself on the empty nature of the mind. I see. Yeah, this example with line is really true. You know, recently I thought about some childish manner of understanding things. It's like, you know, an infant is wondering how the radio (a portative electronic gadget) work? The infant may think that 'talking people are hiding somewhere behind the box' ('box' here is a radio's plastic chamber). When children do it they show their abilities to invent some unusual and funny word-combinations. At the same time children often utter some absolutely chaotic sequence of vowels and consonants, yet we accept it as some 'names'. But what are these vowels and consonants if not emptiness that being 'shelled' with our ability of changing acoustic properties of that 'wind' that comes from the depths of our lungs, and, in turn, that is the result of 'pressing-depressing', i.e. the mechanical work of two processes: inhaling and exhaling, and, in turn again, - formatting or bending of emptiness... This is really interesting, you know, - to bend or to wave an emptiness... Sounds magically, isn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 21:31:15 GMT
All colours are acompanied by feeling. If I show you the feeling, also you see the colour. You know, when I'm feeling blue (I mean, each time when I feel depression or sadness) all colours seem dark and faded. Have you ever noticed anything like this? It's complicated to explain because we are not grounding the topic. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 16, 2021 22:27:34 GMT
You know, when I'm feeling blue (I mean, each time when I feel depression or sadness) all colours seem dark and faded. Have you ever noticed anything like this? It's complicated to explain because we are not grounding the topic. Well, but if you were passing a test, and there was a question "did things appear darker to you, when you was feeling sad?" what would you answer? I would answer: yes. At least I can say this looks like colors become weak and faded when I'm not in a good mood.(Artists use darker, weaker colors paining sad paints.) And you know, the same is for looking at something beautiful or eating something tasty: when a person feela sadness his appetites and motions are lower. (Can it be related to stomach problems and, in general, health problems?) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 1:20:10 GMT
No ground, no solution, my dear Eugene.
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Post by sai123 on Jan 17, 2021 2:22:00 GMT
All colours are acompanied by feeling. If I show you the feeling, also you see the colour. You know, when I'm feeling blue (I mean, each time when I feel depression or sadness) all colours seem dark and faded. Have you ever noticed anything like this? Yes it's true and I've experienced it for a long time |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 17, 2021 4:58:46 GMT
You know, when I'm feeling blue (I mean, each time when I feel depression or sadness) all colours seem dark and faded. Have you ever noticed anything like this? Yes it's true and I've experienced it for a long time Oh, hmm. Then I guess you also wondered about it, right? What do you think, Sai, what causes this effect? Is it really a stomach's disfunction or maybe something inner? (like a soul?) |
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Post by sai123 on Jan 17, 2021 5:13:28 GMT
Yes it's true and I've experienced it for a long time Oh, hmm. Then I guess you also wondered about it, right? What do you think, Sai, what causes this effect? Is it really a stomach's disfunction or maybe something inner? (like a soul?) Maybe inner I think |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 17, 2021 9:58:30 GMT
Oh, hmm. Then I guess you also wondered about it, right? What do you think, Sai, what causes this effect? Is it really a stomach's disfunction or maybe something inner? (like a soul?) Maybe inner I think You know, I've noticed that as politicians so many kings, queens, princes, princesses and, in general, the power have always been tied and related with colors. Many of them used colors in their political programs, many wore specific colors, many prohibited wearing specific type of colors, etc. It's like the color is what also can be used as the control. What do you think about this? P.S. Also I want to ask how are you? Do you do math exercises? Unfortunately I'm not a mathematician, but I'd recommend to do math exercises, or to challenge yourself in math... And not to forget to have fun time!  |
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Post by karl on Jan 17, 2021 10:21:44 GMT
Oh, hmm. Then I guess you also wondered about it, right? What do you think, Sai, what causes this effect? Is it really a stomach's disfunction or maybe something inner? (like a soul?) Maybe inner I think
Those who are more intelligent and aware than the average person, will inevitably struggle with existential questions in their formative years.
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