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Post by karl on Sept 5, 2020 0:38:24 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 5, 2020 1:29:04 GMT
I think it's a scientific book about plants that once existed or of plants that could exist from science of cross breeding. The humans is probably from a defect that existed or from future cross breeding. Think that's the right term so if I'm wrong when I say cross breeding then sorryyyy. Just like cauliflower. It doesn't naturally occur in nature but is scientifically grown using other things. So feel like this book could be on something like that.
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Post by karl on Sept 5, 2020 22:52:14 GMT
I think it's a scientific book about plants that once existed or of plants that could exist from science of cross breeding. The humans is probably from a defect that existed or from future cross breeding. Think that's the right term so if I'm wrong when I say cross breeding then sorryyyy. Just like cauliflower. It doesn't naturally occur in nature but is scientifically grown using other things. So feel like this book could be on something like that.
So he was doing some Frankenstein experiments with plants, and invented his own language to conceal what he was doing, in fear of the inquisition not approving of him tempering with God's creation?
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 5, 2020 23:04:28 GMT
I think it's a scientific book about plants that once existed or of plants that could exist from science of cross breeding. The humans is probably from a defect that existed or from future cross breeding. Think that's the right term so if I'm wrong when I say cross breeding then sorryyyy. Just like cauliflower. It doesn't naturally occur in nature but is scientifically grown using other things. So feel like this book could be on something like that. So he was doing some Frankenstein experiments with plants, and invented his own language to conceal what he was doing, in fear of the inquisition?
Maybe. If it was me then I'd write it in code so no one could steal my ideas and claim them as their own later on if my ideas work. Or maybe he was doing some unethical experiment somewhere but wrote it in code so he wouldn't get into trouble. Writing in code isn't unusual for people and sometimes it's for good or bad reason. Like when I was little my friends and I would write notes to each other in code so only we could read it (it was like triangle=a, star=b, rainbow=c, etc.). Zodiac killer taunted police in code and they couldn't decipher it. So each code has a key to deciphering it but it's usually kept hidden from the general public. So worst case scenario this scientist was doing something unethical in secret to avoid a similar issue to this... www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/chinese-scientist-who-produced-genetically-altered-babies-sentenced-3-years-jail#
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Post by karl on Sept 5, 2020 23:31:20 GMT
So he was doing some Frankenstein experiments with plants, and invented his own language to conceal what he was doing, in fear of the inquisition?
Maybe. If it was me then I'd write it in code so no one could steal my ideas and claim them as their own later on if my ideas work. Or maybe he was doing some unethical experiment somewhere but wrote it in code so he wouldn't get into trouble. Writing in code isn't unusual for people and sometimes it's for good or bad reason. Like when I was little my friends and I would write notes to each other in code so only we could read it (it was like triangle=a, star=b, rainbow=c, etc.). Zodiac killer taunted police in code and they couldn't decipher it. So each code has a key to deciphering it but it's usually kept hidden from the general public. So worst case scenario this scientist was doing something unethical in secret to avoid a similar issue to this... www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/chinese-scientist-who-produced-genetically-altered-babies-sentenced-3-years-jail#
He must have had some profound coding skills to pull this off, given that no one has been able to decipher it.
By the way, I'm glad to see that the Chinese have some legal standards in regards to gene manipulation.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 5, 2020 23:46:35 GMT
Maybe. If it was me then I'd write it in code so no one could steal my ideas and claim them as their own later on if my ideas work. Or maybe he was doing some unethical experiment somewhere but wrote it in code so he wouldn't get into trouble. Writing in code isn't unusual for people and sometimes it's for good or bad reason. Like when I was little my friends and I would write notes to each other in code so only we could read it (it was like triangle=a, star=b, rainbow=c, etc.). Zodiac killer taunted police in code and they couldn't decipher it. So each code has a key to deciphering it but it's usually kept hidden from the general public. So worst case scenario this scientist was doing something unethical in secret to avoid a similar issue to this... www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/chinese-scientist-who-produced-genetically-altered-babies-sentenced-3-years-jail# He must have had some profound coding skills to pull this off, given that no one has been able to decipher it.
By the way, I'm glad to see that the Chinese have some legal standards in regards to gene manipulation.
He does and same with the Zodiac Killer. No one to this day was able to decipher Zodiac's stuff and he said that if we did decipher it we'd be able to catch him and he was never caught. So they both have great coding skills which might never be solved.
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Post by vicky on Sept 6, 2020 6:08:36 GMT
Weird. It's so detailed too. It seems to possess a lot of scientific, medicinal and spiritual knowledge. I wouldn't doubt it belonged to race of people 600 years ago that's been completely wiped out either by natural causes or due to their spiritual knowledge. Suppressing spiritual and natural medicinal knowledge has always been prevalent in an attempt to maintain power over the human race. 'We discovered this first' is what the people at the top would have us all think if they could.
Anyway. From what I've gathered. This book could've been written by a Turkish immigrant living in eastern Europe at the time of the Ottoman empire which controlled much of Southeastern Europe, Western Asia, and Northern Africa between the 14th and early 20th centuries.
Or it could've been a Turkish person living during the time of the Italian Renaissance. The Italian Renaissance peaked in the mid-16th century as domestic disputes and foreign invasions plunged the region into the turmoil of the Italian Wars (1494–1559). However, the ideas and ideals of the Italian Renaissance spread into the rest of Europe, setting off the Northern Renaissance.
The Northern Renaissance was similar to the Italian Renaissance. It also was interested in the ancient past and believed that it was a guide to the present day. The Northern Renaissance was also very much concerned with humanism and its values. It was famous for its advanced oil painting techniques, realistic, expressive altarpiece art, portraiture on wooden panel paintings, as well as woodcuts and other forms of printmaking.
How is the Northern Renaissance different from the Italian Renaissance? Northern Artistic Renaissance focused more on empirical observation and accurately paying attention to details of visual reality. The Italian Artistic Renaissance, however, accurately portrayed visual reality through proportion, perspective, and human anatomy.
I suppose many races went extinct during wars and as a result languages died out. Or it could completely be made up idk I'm just speculating. If it is a hoax then wow.
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Post by joustos on Sept 6, 2020 15:22:12 GMT
I am surprised that nobody has ben able to decipher this book. In 15th century Italy, Leonardo da Vinci wrote of his inventions and corpse-anatomical studies by writing backwards. That's "mirror writing". Later on, in Rennes-le-Chateau, the famous priest Sauniere found documents which had a topographical code whereby he could read "golden apples" (etc.) and discovered the hidden so-called Templar treasure which, as I supposed, was contained in the long-lost "Ark of the Covenant". (If you are wandering, Yes, I myself figured out where the Ark was located and where Sauniere hid it after getting rich and restoring the church of St. Mary Magdalaine, but the French authorities are not allowing excavations in Rennes-le-Chateau. Years ago, in a forum I posted my detective story, "Here Lies the Ark"; verification is still missing.) The present book seems to employ a new alphabet for some language or a blend of languages, but it is impossible to analyze it by viewing it on the youtube.
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Post by karl on Sept 6, 2020 16:43:15 GMT
I am surprised that nobody has ben able to decipher this book. In 15th century Italy, Leonardo da Vinci wrote of his inventions and corpse-anatomical studies by writing backwards. That's "mirror writing". Later on, in Rennes-le-Chateau, the famous priest Sauniere found documents which had a topographical code whereby he could read "golden apples" (etc.) and discovered the hidden so-called Templar treasure which, as I supposed, was contained in the long-lost "Ark of the Covenant". (If you are wandering, Yes, I myself figured out where the Ark was located and where Sauniere hid it after getting rich and restoring the church of St. Mary Magdalaine, but the French authorities are not allowing excavations in Rennes-le-Chateau. Years ago, in a forum I posted my detective story, "Here Lies the Ark"; verification is still missing.) The present book seems to employ a new alphabet for some language or a blend of languages, but it is impossible to analyze it by viewing it on the youtube.
I'm only speculating, but if the author invented his own language with a unique grammar, then I would assume it would be very difficult to decipher. I've done translation of Sumerian texts that were already transliterated, and just the unfamiliarity of the grammar made them very hard to translate. -Despite that I was helped by a 750 page book, describing the grammar in detail, with whole chapters covering single words of importance. Sumerian has two inflections, perfective and imperfective. Sumerian perfective can be present, past, and future. Sumerian imperfective can be present, past, and future. So the role of the inflections is different than for modern languages. If the only thing one knew about Sumerian were a few stone tablets with texts in cuneiform, I'm not so sure anyone would have been able to decipher them.
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Post by karl on Sept 6, 2020 16:50:26 GMT
Weird. It's so detailed too. It seems to possess a lot of scientific, medicinal and spiritual knowledge. I wouldn't doubt it belonged to race of people 600 years ago that's been completely wiped out either by natural causes or due to their spiritual knowledge. Suppressing spiritual and natural medicinal knowledge has always been prevalent in an attempt to maintain power over the human race. 'We discovered this first' is what the people at the top would have us all think if they could. Anyway. From what I've gathered. This book could've been written by a Turkish immigrant living in eastern Europe at the time of the Ottoman empire which controlled much of Southeastern Europe, Western Asia, and Northern Africa between the 14th and early 20th centuries. Or it could've been a Turkish person living during the time of the Italian Renaissance. The Italian Renaissance peaked in the mid-16th century as domestic disputes and foreign invasions plunged the region into the turmoil of the Italian Wars (1494–1559). However, the ideas and ideals of the Italian Renaissance spread into the rest of Europe, setting off the Northern Renaissance. The Northern Renaissance was similar to the Italian Renaissance. It also was interested in the ancient past and believed that it was a guide to the present day. The Northern Renaissance was also very much concerned with humanism and its values. It was famous for its advanced oil painting techniques, realistic, expressive altarpiece art, portraiture on wooden panel paintings, as well as woodcuts and other forms of printmaking. How is the Northern Renaissance different from the Italian Renaissance? Northern Artistic Renaissance focused more on empirical observation and accurately paying attention to details of visual reality. The Italian Artistic Renaissance, however, accurately portrayed visual reality through proportion, perspective, and human anatomy. I suppose many races went extinct during wars and as a result languages died out. Or it could completely be made up idk I'm just speculating. If it is a hoax then wow.
You mean to suggest that this book was written in a language used by an ethnic group that was wiped out? If it had been an established language, I would expect some similarity with known languages. Apparently, it's not related to any known language, since if it was, it would have been far easier to decipher.
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Post by vicky on Sept 6, 2020 18:08:03 GMT
Weird. It's so detailed too. It seems to possess a lot of scientific, medicinal and spiritual knowledge. I wouldn't doubt it belonged to race of people 600 years ago that's been completely wiped out either by natural causes or due to their spiritual knowledge. Suppressing spiritual and natural medicinal knowledge has always been prevalent in an attempt to maintain power over the human race. 'We discovered this first' is what the people at the top would have us all think if they could. Anyway. From what I've gathered. This book could've been written by a Turkish immigrant living in eastern Europe at the time of the Ottoman empire which controlled much of Southeastern Europe, Western Asia, and Northern Africa between the 14th and early 20th centuries. Or it could've been a Turkish person living during the time of the Italian Renaissance. The Italian Renaissance peaked in the mid-16th century as domestic disputes and foreign invasions plunged the region into the turmoil of the Italian Wars (1494–1559). However, the ideas and ideals of the Italian Renaissance spread into the rest of Europe, setting off the Northern Renaissance. The Northern Renaissance was similar to the Italian Renaissance. It also was interested in the ancient past and believed that it was a guide to the present day. The Northern Renaissance was also very much concerned with humanism and its values. It was famous for its advanced oil painting techniques, realistic, expressive altarpiece art, portraiture on wooden panel paintings, as well as woodcuts and other forms of printmaking. How is the Northern Renaissance different from the Italian Renaissance? Northern Artistic Renaissance focused more on empirical observation and accurately paying attention to details of visual reality. The Italian Artistic Renaissance, however, accurately portrayed visual reality through proportion, perspective, and human anatomy. I suppose many races went extinct during wars and as a result languages died out. Or it could completely be made up idk I'm just speculating. If it is a hoax then wow. You mean to suggest that this book was written in a language used by an ethnic group that was wiped out? If it had been an established language, I would expect some similarity with known languages. Apparently, it's not related to any known language, since if it was, it would have been far easier to decipher.
That's just from what I've gathered from the internet, which tells me that the language in the book is speculated to be Phonetic Old Turkish. Ofc it may not be true but I said hey, why not follow up on it and see what info I can dig up
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Post by joustos on Sept 6, 2020 20:04:54 GMT
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Post by karl on Sept 6, 2020 20:34:09 GMT
Sounds credible. So after being a mystery for 600 years, digitalisation enabled someone to solve it.
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Post by karl on Sept 6, 2020 20:48:26 GMT
"Gibbs even identified one image—copied, of course, from another manuscript—of women holding donut-shaped magnets in baths."
If anyone started to sell donut-shaped magnets for the purpose of improving women's health, and stated that it's based on a 600 years old eosteric book, it would be a guaranteed success.
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Post by joustos on Sept 7, 2020 14:59:09 GMT
"Gibbs even identified one image—copied, of course, from another manuscript—of women holding donut-shaped magnets in baths." If anyone st arted to sell donut-shaped magnets for the purpose of improving women's health, and stated that it's based on a 600 years old eosteric book, it would be a guaranteed success. While I actually liked what you wrote, I wish to make a comment about what Gibbs said: I don't think that in the 15th century or earlier there were doughnut shaped magnets; lodestones were known. If an image looked like a doughnut, it may have been a Greek kolloura (a ring cake, a doughnut shaped cake -- a real doughnut), used in some festivities. The picture of women bathing is a stream of water or little river reminds me of ancient baths for women in Greek southern Italy (and undoubtedly also in Greece), especially for the purpose of pre-nuptial bathing. For privacy, walls or a room was built at some point along a stream of water. Men customarily bathed (also naked) in rivers or the sea. //I'm sure one section of the manuscript is about women's health, hygiene, and customs, and is based on some Greek medical manual (as already suspected).
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