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Post by karl on Feb 24, 2020 21:47:45 GMT
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Post by KGrim on Feb 24, 2020 22:19:09 GMT
karl , I didn't know that Etruscan language wasn't Indo-European. Very interesting.
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Post by karl on Feb 24, 2020 23:57:46 GMT
karl , I didn't know that Etruscan language wasn't Indo-European. Very interesting.
Me neither.
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Post by KGrim on Feb 25, 2020 0:22:35 GMT
karl , What do you think the odds are that Herodotus was right and they came from Anatolia?
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Post by karl on Feb 25, 2020 0:42:03 GMT
karl , What do you think the odds are that Herodotus was right and they came from Anatolia?
That would be consistent with that they were descendants of the mysterious "sea-people", who caused the destruction of all Mediterranean civilisations, except Egypt, in the late bronze age. Whether they were is an open question, but it's an intriguing thought. What do you think?
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Post by KGrim on Feb 25, 2020 0:53:50 GMT
karl , I think its possible. I've heard of the bronze age collapse but I don't know enough about it to make an educated guess. Aren't the Celts supposed to be descended from the sea-people? I don't know where I read that from but its rattling around in my head. I am intrigued by their pantheon and the "secret gods of favour" which they had to consult before doing anything. It kinda has a Lovecraftian undertone to it; a shadowy secret order of gods mysterious even to the lower gods.
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Post by karl on Feb 25, 2020 3:31:03 GMT
karl , I think its possible. I've heard of the bronze age collapse but I don't know enough about it to make an educated guess. Aren't the Celts supposed to be descended from the sea-people? I don't know where I read that from but its rattling around in my head. I am intrigued by their pantheon and the "secret gods of favour" which they had to consult before doing anything. It kinda has a Lovecraftian undertone to it; a shadowy secret order of gods mysterious even to the lower gods.
One theory is that a volcano outbreak causing failed crops lead to these massive raids along the Mediterranean coastline. -In which case, it was hardly a uniform group, and I find it likely that their descendants wouldn't be one people in particular, but several, spread across the Mediterranean.
No one is really able to make an educated guess, which is why there is even a theory that the sea people were Vikings. -2000 years before we know they started using long ships. So the story about the sea people lives on like that of Jack the Ripper, with people from new generations coming up with new theories.
I've read Lovecraft's story about Cthulhu, but I know little to nothing about the Etruscan gods, so I can't really speak to that.
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Post by joustos on Feb 25, 2020 16:25:36 GMT
karl , I didn't know that Etruscan language wasn't Indo-European. Very interesting. Not so fast! It's true that for a long time there has been the belief that Etruscan (like Basque, etc.) is not an Indo-European language, but the problem with this claim lies in the fact that nobody has ever defined what makes a language Indo-European. Etruscan is known from its writings, which employ an archaic Greek alphabet. So, we can read them aloud but do not understand them. However, a chapter in a book I am trying to publish contains many translations of words and inscriptions. Etruscan and Basque are Indo-European (by an a posteriori definition I arrived at). My method has been that of etymologically deriving words from classical Greek. For your curiosity, I will try to attach or copy my Table of Contents (not the etymologies themselves). Sorry: The format has been disrupted:
TABLE OF CONTENTS
PREFACE: Reading Guide to This Archeology of Words ii Phonemes, Transliterations and
Transcriptions, Sources, Abbreviations
CHAPTER I: Postscript Introduction and Conclusion 1 On Etymology, Speaking, Languages, Indo-European, Races, the World
CHAPTER II: Etymology of Longobardese Words 299
CHAPTER
III: Decipherments and Interpretations
The Lemnos stele. The Eleusinian mysteries at Pompeii 600
CHAPTER
IV: Aetiology of the Greek Alphabet 61
CHAPTER
V: The Debacle of the Semitic Matrix of Indo-European 769 [Etymology of Latin, German, English, Akkadian, Canaanite,
and other words.]
CHAPTER
VI: Etymology of Some Ancient and Slavonic Words 1015 (A) Oscan; (B) Kalash; (C) Balochi; (D) Serbian;
Lithuanian; Czech
CHAPTER
VII: Decipherment of Etruscan 1058 Words,
Inscriptions, and the Pyrgi Tablets
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VIII: On the Names of Some Greek and Other Gods 124
CHAPTER
IX: Etymology of Anglo-Saxon Words 1383
CHAPTER
X: Etymology of Ancient Mideastern
Words 1651
(I)
Sumerian; (II) Luish; (III) Philistinian; (IV) Eblaite;
(V)
Hebrew; (VI) Egyptian
CHAPTER
XI: Etymology of Basque Words 1890 [ Epilogue (Final Postscripts)] I.E. is Greek [The etymo of Latin,
Italian, German, Albanian, Hittite, Sanskrit, Avestan, Scythic,
Kurrish-Mitannish, and other words, has been interspersed throughout these
chapters.]
===== The title of the proposed book: INDO-EUROPEAN AND ITS SPEAKERS
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Feb 25, 2020 17:31:59 GMT
karl , I didn't know that Etruscan language wasn't Indo-European. Very interesting. Is it related to Basque? Can't they also trace the languages of other countries before the IEs conquered them? |
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Feb 25, 2020 17:57:55 GMT
karl , I didn't know that Etruscan language wasn't Indo-European. Very interesting. Not so fast! It's true that for a long time there has been the belief that Etruscan (like Basque, etc.) is not an Indo-European language, but the problem with this claim lies in the fact that nobody has ever defined what makes a language Indo-European. Etruscan is known from its writings, which employ an archaic Greek alphabet. So, we can read them aloud but do not understand them. However, a chapter in a book I am trying to publish contains many translations of words and inscriptions. Etruscan and Basque are Indo-European (by an a posteriori definition I arrived at). My method has been that of etymologically deriving words from classical Greek. For your curiosity, I will try to attach or copy my Table of Contents (not the etymologies themselves). Sorry: The format has been disrupted:
TABLE OF CONTENTS
PREFACE: Reading Guide to This Archeology of Words ii Phonemes, Transliterations and
Transcriptions, Sources, Abbreviations
CHAPTER I: Postscript Introduction and Conclusion 1 On Etymology, Speaking, Languages, Indo-European, Races, the World
CHAPTER II: Etymology of Longobardese Words 299
CHAPTER
III: Decipherments and Interpretations
The Lemnos stele. The Eleusinian mysteries at Pompeii 600
CHAPTER
IV: Aetiology of the Greek Alphabet 61
CHAPTER
V: The Debacle of the Semitic Matrix of Indo-European 769 [Etymology of Latin, German, English, Akkadian, Canaanite,
and other words.]
CHAPTER
VI: Etymology of Some Ancient and Slavonic Words 1015 (A) Oscan; (B) Kalash; (C) Balochi; (D) Serbian;
Lithuanian; Czech
CHAPTER
VII: Decipherment of Etruscan 1058 Words,
Inscriptions, and the Pyrgi Tablets
CHAPTER
VIII: On the Names of Some Greek and Other Gods 124
CHAPTER
IX: Etymology of Anglo-Saxon Words 1383
CHAPTER
X: Etymology of Ancient Mideastern
Words 1651
(I)
Sumerian; (II) Luish; (III) Philistinian; (IV) Eblaite;
(V)
Hebrew; (VI) Egyptian
CHAPTER
XI: Etymology of Basque Words 1890 [ Epilogue (Final Postscripts)] I.E. is Greek [The etymo of Latin,
Italian, German, Albanian, Hittite, Sanskrit, Avestan, Scythic,
Kurrish-Mitannish, and other words, has been interspersed throughout these
chapters.]
===== The title of the proposed book: INDO-EUROPEAN AND ITS SPEAKERS
I have no respect for any academics, least of all for etymologists. Here are some words in which I disagree with what you've been taught: From anthropology, we learn that savages "counted" 1-touching tip of finger to chest; 2. -pointing; Greater Than Two -waving hand. Therefore one is related to fingernail ( onyx, inch, ounce, Sp. uña) ; two, duo, dos to, too, toe mean pointing away from the speaker; many is related to manus, mano, main. Math comes from the Gk. manthano "learning to count by using the fingers of the hand." Even though the Gk word for hand is kheir, it retains the IE root, just like English does in many.
Moon is related to minus, because its most significant characteristic is that it seems to get smaller. Dog means "pointer." It is related to digitus "finger" and the Greek deiknumi "show." |
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Post by KGrim on Feb 25, 2020 21:04:38 GMT
Not so fast! It's true that for a long time there has been the belief that Etruscan (like Basque, etc.) is not an Indo-European language, but the problem with this claim lies in the fact that nobody has ever defined what makes a language Indo-European. Etruscan is known from its writings, which employ an archaic Greek alphabet. So, we can read them aloud but do not understand them. However, a chapter in a book I am trying to publish contains many translations of words and inscriptions. Etruscan and Basque are Indo-European (by an a posteriori definition I arrived at). My method has been that of etymologically deriving words from classical Greek. For your curiosity, I will try to attach or copy my Table of Contents (not the etymologies themselves). Sorry: The format has been disrupted:
TABLE OF CONTENTS
PREFACE: Reading Guide to This Archeology of Words ii Phonemes, Transliterations and
Transcriptions, Sources, Abbreviations
CHAPTER I: Postscript Introduction and Conclusion 1 On Etymology, Speaking, Languages, Indo-European, Races, the World
CHAPTER II: Etymology of Longobardese Words 299
CHAPTER
III: Decipherments and Interpretations
The Lemnos stele. The Eleusinian mysteries at Pompeii 600
CHAPTER
IV: Aetiology of the Greek Alphabet 61
CHAPTER
V: The Debacle of the Semitic Matrix of Indo-European 769 [Etymology of Latin, German, English, Akkadian, Canaanite,
and other words.]
CHAPTER
VI: Etymology of Some Ancient and Slavonic Words 1015 (A) Oscan; (B) Kalash; (C) Balochi; (D) Serbian;
Lithuanian; Czech
CHAPTER
VII: Decipherment of Etruscan 1058 Words,
Inscriptions, and the Pyrgi Tablets
CHAPTER
VIII: On the Names of Some Greek and Other Gods 124
CHAPTER
IX: Etymology of Anglo-Saxon Words 1383
CHAPTER
X: Etymology of Ancient Mideastern
Words 1651
(I)
Sumerian; (II) Luish; (III) Philistinian; (IV) Eblaite;
(V)
Hebrew; (VI) Egyptian
CHAPTER
XI: Etymology of Basque Words 1890 [ Epilogue (Final Postscripts)] I.E. is Greek [The etymo of Latin,
Italian, German, Albanian, Hittite, Sanskrit, Avestan, Scythic,
Kurrish-Mitannish, and other words, has been interspersed throughout these
chapters.]
===== The title of the proposed book: INDO-EUROPEAN AND ITS SPEAKERS
I have no respect for any academics, least of all for etymologists. Here are some words in which I disagree with what you've been taught: From anthropology, we learn that savages "counted" 1-touching tip of finger to chest; 2. -pointing; Greater Than Two -waving hand. Therefore one is related to fingernail ( onyx, inch, ounce, Sp. uña) ; two, duo, dos to, too, toe mean pointing away from the speaker; many is related to manus, mano, main. Math comes from the Gk. manthano "learning to count by using the fingers of the hand." Even though the Gk word for hand is kheir, it retains the IE root, just like English does in many.
Moon is related to minus, because its most significant characteristic is that it seems to get smaller. Dog means "pointer." It is related to digitus "finger" and the Greek deiknumi "show." I should have never went to college . . . $64,000 down the drain and only a useless liberal arts degree to show for it.  |
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Post by KGrim on Feb 26, 2020 4:22:49 GMT
I thought this was relevant.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Feb 26, 2020 18:18:50 GMT
College Teaches Authoritarian Irrationalism. It Is for People Too Dumb or Lazy to Learn Anything on Their Own.I have no respect for any academics, least of all for etymologists. Here are some words in which I disagree with what you've been taught: From anthropology, we learn that savages "counted" 1-touching tip of finger to chest; 2. -pointing; Greater Than Two -waving hand. Therefore one is related to fingernail ( onyx, inch, ounce, Sp. uña) ; two, duo, dos to, too, toe mean pointing away from the speaker; many is related to manus, mano, main. Math comes from the Gk. manthano "learning to count by using the fingers of the hand." Even though the Gk word for hand is kheir, it retains the IE root, just like English does in many.
Moon is related to minus, because its most significant characteristic is that it seems to get smaller. Dog means "pointer." It is related to digitus "finger" and the Greek deiknumi "show." I should have never went to college . . . $64,000 down the drain and only a useless liberal arts degree to show for it. "I should have never gone..." Like most college graduates, you didn't even learn 6th-Grader grammar. The plutocrats who mandate this criminal indentured servitude better preach what they practice with their own children: an adult allowance plus paid-up tuition. If they don't start acting democratically, we should take away their future by harassing their brats so much they drop out of society altogether. |
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Post by KGrim on Feb 27, 2020 20:19:47 GMT
I should have never went to college . . . $64,000 down the drain and only a useless liberal arts degree to show for it. "I should have never gone..." Like most college graduates, you didn't even learn 6th-Grader grammar. The plutocrats who mandate this criminal indentured servitude better preach what they practice with their own children: an adult allowance plus paid-up tuition. If they don't start acting democratically, we should take away their future by harassing their brats so much they drop out of society altogether. I don't know what your talking about, I have the goodest grammar. |
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Post by joustos on Feb 28, 2020 16:14:56 GMT
Sage, you have reasons to disagree with etymologies you have been taught. For instance, you cite "duo, two, to, too, …) There you have it, a blunder which even the best linguistists of the 20th century (Pokorny and Semerano) have made. They and your teacher did not distinguish cognates (words which sound alike and have the same basic meaning) and homophones (words which sound alike but have entirely different meanings). Their lengthy works are useless; they have not established etymologies of the Indo-European languages. Material for jokes is available: two = too coronavirus = Koran virus [which is lethal]. In fact, "corona" sounds almost like "Koran" (or Quran), but their respective meanings are "crown" (or crown-like) and "reading; book". |
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