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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 7, 2019 19:06:44 GMT
We know that Christ is the son of God, but what about the rest of us? Are we God's children?
In Mathews, among the other commandments of bliss, we read: "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God" (5:9, NIV). In John's writings there's a text: "...Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed" (8:34-36 NIV).
I don't be so sure about derivation "we're children of God" from those text places in Gospels. However, I continue to think that all the people are children of God in some sense. He's the creator of everything, including an act of birth. Well, if Jesus is His son, why should it not concern us all?
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Post by fschmidt on Jun 10, 2019 16:30:23 GMT
Basically current liberal Western culture. Cultures don't have opposites. God isn't concerned with labels. God is on the side of good cultures and against bad cultures.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 10, 2019 19:28:45 GMT
Saying that "most of the people are such cockroaches" (or in a more strong way "...are cockroaches") your words could be easily interpreted as "most of the people are such bears" or "...are such goats", or "...are such bees" etc. But even if almost everyone were ants, it wouldn't mean "the ones were bad", it would be rather similar to "the ones were not like me". Putting yourself on the top (or just in some high privilege place) over everyone else is not the way out. Dugin, for example, says that many people today (especially in the I-net social medias) are "morons" in a medical sense. He says that to be a moron one needn't understand any semantics features (not understand any sense of the words), but it's ok for the one to act in a formal way - to understand common logic, being able to solve math puzzles, etc. If you equals "cockroaches" to those "morons", then I agree with you. However, I still think that it is a problem. Yes, I don't think I'm the one who will solve it, but I feel responsible for my neighbors too. Why shouldn't I care for the other people? If I would meet a girl I like, and I'd had known that her parents had some problems with their finances or something else, why shouldn't I help her? I know that I would be able to say that "why would those morons not to be so stupid to do their own business yourselves?", or something like that, but would it be fair? I could live on my own giving no one anything, trying to do everything just for myself, and laughing on everyone who doesn't like me, and would this life be ok? - Such a life wouldn't be different from an animal - the worst of the worst one - life. And yes, I know that this ideology of "curing" not "killing" those who are sick in society is rather a loosing game, the path leading to Nothingness, to the Emptiness. No one would say anything good after my death, and maybe no one would even remember me, but should I consider this position as something bad and abnormal? I see not normal position to feel pity for someone else lying to myself that I don't want to help him; I'd say I feel my weakness, rather than pointless if I didn't do anything. And, for God's sake, why to kill? There are so many aggression including killing: mafia, maniacs, desperados, lunatics... Even if I'd die like a god, I wouldn't be the worst if I did help someone, offered someone a help. P.S. Yes, I know my words seem like "sweet" ones; however, in this mad world there's nothing left just to do something to sweat this reality up, at least, for a tiny bit. Does it make more sense to help a rat carrying plague or to kill the rat? Modern people carry the plague of modern culture. Modern culture not only makes its carriers stupid, evil, and repulsive, but it spreads to other people of other cultures, causing the same. It is a plague on humanity and its carriers should be killed. Unfortunately there are too many of them to effectively eradicate them, so we just have to trust in God to do this for us. What we can do is to help those few people who are not yet infected, like religious Muslims and traditional Anabaptists. But in no case should any decent person ever help anyone infected with modern culture. You see the plague in the modern culture, but I see it in all of those fatso, and all of those insane richies, spending their money on the pathetical stupid things. They just eat eat eat eat and eat, and there's no stop for them. There are worse than rats. They are the one who carries that gluttony sin which is the first one in the list of all the sins. I see no bad in any religious people who are slim and gently. I see no bad in desperate, but honest people - they do nothing bad to anyone, but they get all the trouble from those fatso blumbers.
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Post by fschmidt on Jun 11, 2019 4:55:17 GMT
You see the plague in the modern culture, but I see it in all of those fatso, and all of those insane richies, spending their money on the pathetical stupid things. They just eat eat eat eat and eat, and there's no stop for them. There are worse than rats. They are the one who carries that gluttony sin which is the first one in the list of all the sins. I see no bad in any religious people who are slim and gently. I see no bad in desperate, but honest people - they do nothing bad to anyone, but they get all the trouble from those fatso blumbers. Maybe we see different things because we live in different countries. Ukraine has had less exposure to modern culture than America has. So let what I see be a warning of what the future of Ukraine will be if it continues aligning with the West.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 13, 2019 19:58:42 GMT
You see the plague in the modern culture, but I see it in all of those fatso, and all of those insane richies, spending their money on the pathetical stupid things. They just eat eat eat eat and eat, and there's no stop for them. There are worse than rats. They are the one who carries that gluttony sin which is the first one in the list of all the sins. I see no bad in any religious people who are slim and gently. I see no bad in desperate, but honest people - they do nothing bad to anyone, but they get all the trouble from those fatso blumbers. Maybe we see different things because we live in different countries. Ukraine has had less exposure to modern culture than America has. So let what I see be a warning of what the future of Ukraine will be if it continues aligning with the West. Unfortunately, Ukraine is leading to that hellish absurd. It's a reason of my hatred to the West. Even in books all the characters are too plain and formal. Now I see no persons there (in the West).
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Post by greatestiam on Jun 15, 2019 16:41:44 GMT
Yes. There are children of God and there are children of satan. Children of God live by His commandments and the children of satan don't. We all belong to Him because He created us but we are not all His children. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 1 John:3:10 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1 John:5:2 Have you given up all you own the way Jesus said you should?
If not, by your own words, you condemn yourself.
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Jun 15, 2019 16:44:28 GMT
However, I continue to think that all the people are children of God in some sense. He's the creator of everything, including an act of birth. By that logic, cockroaches are also children of God, which makes sense since most people are much like cockroaches. Jesus had more to say about and against religious hypocrites than the non-believers.
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Jun 15, 2019 16:50:12 GMT
Thank you for very good quotes! (Silly me, how could I forget about those quotes?!!) ...Anyway, I tried to think about it a lot wider. What about the rest of those who will decide not to join God? Would they stop being God's children? (On conditions that they were the ones.) Yes, they will not be God's children but it's by their own decision. He doesn't force you into what you don't want. And since He sees the future He let's us know that many are called to be His children but only few get chosen so His children because only a few sincerely want to be. I can quote those verses if you'd like
You are correct that few hear the call, but your own scriptures say that god decides who will hear by his doling out of the grace that helps us hear.
You might wonder why your god does not create for the best possible end to his creations the way nature demonstrably does.
Why is your god such a vile hell creating prick, --- hell being an immoral construct, --- and incompetent god?
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Jun 15, 2019 16:57:15 GMT
Look here...God created everything. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Colossians:1:16 Scriptures say that god created all things for his pleasure. An obvious assumption.
Tell us what pleasure god gets from his creating Satan and giving her extra powers to deceive us all.
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Jun 15, 2019 17:03:26 GMT
Saying that "most of the people are such cockroaches" (or in a more strong way "...are cockroaches") your words could be easily interpreted as "most of the people are such bears" or "...are such goats", or "...are such bees" etc. But even if almost everyone were ants, it wouldn't mean "the ones were bad", it would be rather similar to "the ones were not like me". Putting yourself on the top (or just in some high privilege place) over everyone else is not the way out. Dugin, for example, says that many people today (especially in the I-net social medias) are "morons" in a medical sense. He says that to be a moron one needn't understand any semantics features (not understand any sense of the words), but it's ok for the one to act in a formal way - to understand common logic, being able to solve math puzzles, etc. If you equals "cockroaches" to those "morons", then I agree with you. However, I still think that it is a problem. Yes, I don't think I'm the one who will solve it, but I feel responsible for my neighbors too. Why shouldn't I care for the other people? If I would meet a girl I like, and I'd had known that her parents had some problems with their finances or something else, why shouldn't I help her? I know that I would be able to say that "why would those morons not to be so stupid to do their own business yourselves?", or something like that, but would it be fair? I could live on my own giving no one anything, trying to do everything just for myself, and laughing on everyone who doesn't like me, and would this life be ok? - Such a life wouldn't be different from an animal - the worst of the worst one - life. And yes, I know that this ideology of "curing" not "killing" those who are sick in society is rather a loosing game, the path leading to Nothingness, to the Emptiness. No one would say anything good after my death, and maybe no one would even remember me, but should I consider this position as something bad and abnormal? I see not normal position to feel pity for someone else lying to myself that I don't want to help him; I'd say I feel my weakness, rather than pointless if I didn't do anything. And, for God's sake, why to kill? There are so many aggression including killing: mafia, maniacs, desperados, lunatics... Even if I'd die like a god, I wouldn't be the worst if I did help someone, offered someone a help. P.S. Yes, I know my words seem like "sweet" ones; however, in this mad world there's nothing left just to do something to sweat this reality up, at least, for a tiny bit. Does it make more sense to help a rat carrying plague or to kill the rat? Modern people carry the plague of modern culture. Modern culture not only makes its carriers stupid, evil, and repulsive, but it spreads to other people of other cultures, causing the same. It is a plague on humanity and its carriers should be killed. Unfortunately there are too many of them to effectively eradicate them, so we just have to trust in God to do this for us. What we can do is to help those few people who are not yet infected, like religious Muslims and traditional Anabaptists. But in no case should any decent person ever help anyone infected with modern culture. This resonates with me.
Are the despicable negative cultural parts you speak of like the examples I show below?
African witches and Jesus.
Brain Washing ( Jesus Camp ''Highlights'' )
Death to Gays.
If those are examples of the evil you meant, how can we stop Christians from being such vile human beings who are just as vile as their god?
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Jun 15, 2019 17:06:56 GMT
God isn't concerned with labels. God is on the side of good cultures and against bad cultures. You say god is not concerned with labels then show how he uses labels like good and evil. Real bright thinking that. Not.
Regards DL
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Post by cynicsanonymous on Jun 15, 2019 18:12:06 GMT
Thank you for very good quotes! (Silly me, how could I forget about those quotes?!!) ...Anyway, I tried to think about it a lot wider. What about the rest of those who will decide not to join God? Would they stop being God's children? (On conditions that they were the ones.) Yes, they will not be God's children but it's by their own decision. He doesn't force you into what you don't want. And since He sees the future He let's us know that many are called to be His children but only few get chosen so His children because only a few sincerely want to be. I can quote those verses if you'd like and with that information in mind, God goes on with the bad guy/good guy charade and let people suffer, even tho he claims that people end up in hell because of their own actions, he is the one choosing the punishment and its a disproportionate one. murders and rapists will end there but, but also regular people who didn't accept Jesus in their hearths. Imagine a loving mother, a supporting wife who loved her parents and friends, paid her bills in time and always respected others. she just happened to find no evidence for the existence of god so she was an atheist. when she dies, she will burn in hellfire forever, where the suffering of her soul will be more than all the suffering on earth combined, she will clench her teeth out of pain and she will see the people up in heaven but they will not be able to see her. Until the end of times!! God is a monster.
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Post by fschmidt on Jun 15, 2019 19:06:56 GMT
and with that information in mind, God goes on with the bad guy/good guy charade and let people suffer, even tho he claims that people end up in hell because of their own actions, he is the one choosing the punishment and its a disproportionate one. murders and rapists will end there but, but also regular people who didn't accept Jesus in their hearths. Imagine a loving mother, a supporting wife who loved her parents and friends, paid her bills in time and always respected others. she just happened to find no evidence for the existence of god so she was an atheist. when she dies, she will burn in hellfire forever, where the suffering of her soul will be more than all the suffering on earth combined, she will clench her teeth out of pain and she will see the people up in heaven but they will not be able to see her. Until the end of times!! God is a monster. Just a reminder that this only applies to Christianity and the New Testament. There is no afterlife in the Old Testament and God doesn't care what you believe. God simply slaughters all the degenerate immoral scum. That's why I love the Old Testament.
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Post by greatestiam on Jun 15, 2019 19:20:18 GMT
and with that information in mind, God goes on with the bad guy/good guy charade and let people suffer, even tho he claims that people end up in hell because of their own actions, he is the one choosing the punishment and its a disproportionate one. murders and rapists will end there but, but also regular people who didn't accept Jesus in their hearths. Imagine a loving mother, a supporting wife who loved her parents and friends, paid her bills in time and always respected others. she just happened to find no evidence for the existence of god so she was an atheist. when she dies, she will burn in hellfire forever, where the suffering of her soul will be more than all the suffering on earth combined, she will clench her teeth out of pain and she will see the people up in heaven but they will not be able to see her. Until the end of times!! God is a monster. Just a reminder that this only applies to Christianity and the New Testament. There is no afterlife in the Old Testament and God doesn't care what you believe. God simply slaughters all the degenerate immoral scumdegenerate immoral scum. That's why I love the Old Testament.
God kills or has killed many children and babies in scriptures.
Tell us of their degenerate actions and immoral thinking so that I might be happy to see god murder them as well.
Regards DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 15, 2019 21:43:33 GMT
Yes. There are children of God and there are children of satan. Children of God live by His commandments and the children of satan don't. We all belong to Him because He created us but we are not all His children. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 1 John:3:10 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1 John:5:2 Have you given up all you own the way Jesus said you should?
If not, by your own words, you condemn yourself.
Regards DL
What are you on about now? I gurantee whatever it is you missread the verses. Quote it please so can interpret it and let you know how I fulfill it.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 15, 2019 21:45:47 GMT
Yes, they will not be God's children but it's by their own decision. He doesn't force you into what you don't want. And since He sees the future He let's us know that many are called to be His children but only few get chosen so His children because only a few sincerely want to be. I can quote those verses if you'd like and with that information in mind, God goes on with the bad guy/good guy charade and let people suffer, even tho he claims that people end up in hell because of their own actions, he is the one choosing the punishment and its a disproportionate one. murders and rapists will end there but, but also regular people who didn't accept Jesus in their hearths. Imagine a loving mother, a supporting wife who loved her parents and friends, paid her bills in time and always respected others. she just happened to find no evidence for the existence of god so she was an atheist. when she dies, she will burn in hellfire forever, where the suffering of her soul will be more than all the suffering on earth combined, she will clench her teeth out of pain and she will see the people up in heaven but they will not be able to see her. Until the end of times!! God is a monster. People suffer because they choose to. God provided a manual (bible) so we didn't need to suffer. Some accept it and the rest by their own choose to disregard it and to suffer. People are truly mosters for blaming God for their own actions.
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