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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 8, 2019 4:52:21 GMT
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 19, 2019 23:12:33 GMT
What is this truth that those who have faith do not want to face? You keep harping on this but have yet to elaborate. We are talking of supernatural Gods and their religions and all the truths they believe about their imaginary Gods. If you wish to rhyme off those untruths, go ahead.
Regards DL
Can you prove the Christian God is imaginary? If you can’t then you can’t state that it as a fact as you have been doing.
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 20, 2019 14:57:12 GMT
We are talking of supernatural Gods and their religions and all the truths they believe about their imaginary Gods. If you wish to rhyme off those untruths, go ahead.
Regards DL
Can you prove the Christian God is imaginary? If you can’t then you can’t state that it as a fact as you have been doing. It is to those who cry wolf to show the tracks and the shit. It is not to the rest of the village to show him to be a liar.
You do not seem to know what reverse onus or a logical fallacy is. Go educate yourself.
Regards DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 20, 2019 19:18:09 GMT
This doesn't teach him the correct way though. It just punishes him. You do realize that this won't help right? Normally people released from jail return to same habits. Clearly, something is done wrong. From the way you described your incident, the guy was already rehabilitated.
If you think he can be, then it is you to suggest how in your victim statement.
Regards DL
You're ignoring the fact that people who are released from jail for their punishment continue doing the same exact stuff. They repeat the process. A cycle of punishment doesn't work. Breaking the cycle works. That means learning to help them learn how to live right.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 20, 2019 19:38:42 GMT
Can you prove the Christian God is imaginary? If you can’t then you can’t state that it as a fact as you have been doing. It is to those who cry wolf to show the tracks and the shit. It is not to the rest of the village to show him to be a liar.
You do not seem to know what reverse onus or a logical fallacy is. Go educate yourself.
Regards DL
I believe it was you that first inferred to something as being imaginary. You’re making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. If you have the proof, which you say you do in your “cry wolf“ analogy, then show it. Show us then evidence which makes it a fact.
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 22, 2019 17:02:05 GMT
From the way you described your incident, the guy was already rehabilitated.
If you think he can be, then it is you to suggest how in your victim statement.
Regards DL
You're ignoring the fact that people who are released from jail for their punishment continue doing the same exact stuff. They repeat the process. A cycle of punishment doesn't work. Breaking the cycle works. That means learning to help them learn how to live right. Your all inclusive brush is wrong. If recidivism was 100%, we would find others ways of dealing with our completely ineffective justice system.
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 22, 2019 17:05:18 GMT
It is to those who cry wolf to show the tracks and the shit. It is not to the rest of the village to show him to be a liar.
You do not seem to know what reverse onus or a logical fallacy is. Go educate yourself.
Regards DL
I believe it was you that first inferred to something as being imaginary. You’re making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. If you have the proof, which you say you do in your “cry wolf“ analogy, then show it. Show us then evidence which makes it a fact. Being invisible and absent is more evidence than you have for your opposing claim.
Unless you have something to show, I think we are done here.
Regards DL
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 22, 2019 18:48:57 GMT
I believe it was you that first inferred to something as being imaginary. You’re making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. If you have the proof, which you say you do in your “cry wolf“ analogy, then show it. Show us then evidence which makes it a fact. Being invisible and absent is more evidence than you have for your opposing claim.
Unless you have something to show, I think we are done here.
Regards DL
My evidence would be my own personal experience, a testimony, a book which has not been disproven in any way, and experiences of life after death(as seen here... ...) which is much more evidence than the you provided(which was exactly nothing). “Being invisible”, as in not being perceivable by the mind, is evidence enough of a spiritual world. To believe that there could be no such thing would be overly superficial and a complete ignorance of the facts.
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Post by karl on Feb 22, 2019 19:14:46 GMT
If anyone makes the following statement: "There exists unicorns somewhere in the Andromeda galaxy, then that is a statement not based on any known facts, and hence, an entirely unscientific claim. However, that does not make it a fact that there are no unicorns in the Andromeda galaxy. If one defines a unicorn as an animal looking like a horse with horn and wings, we wouldn't have the faintest clue how to even calculate the probability for whether such creatures exists in the Andromeda galaxy or not. That doesn't mean that their existence is plausible. Stating that soemthing is plausible, is to assert that it's probability is above a certain value, let's say 20% or whatever, and if we don't know the probability, we don't know the probability. So the right answer is that we're fundamentally confused on the issue. We simply don't know whether there exists unicorns somewhere in the Andromeda galaxy, and we don't know the probability for whether there exists unicorns in the Andromenda galaxy.
The only basis left for drawing any conclusion on the matter, is our own intuition, and we can choose ourselves to what degree we're willing to trust it. But if my intuition tells me that there are unicorns somewhere in the Andromeda galazy, and your intuition doesn't, there are no arguments I acould ever present that would convince you that I'm right. But you would not have the liberty to state that me being wrong is a fact.
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 22, 2019 21:34:01 GMT
Being invisible and absent is more evidence than you have for your opposing claim.
Unless you have something to show, I think we are done here.
Regards DL
My evidence would be my own personal experience, a testimony, a book which has not been disproven in any way, and experiences of life after death(as seen here... ...) which is much more evidence than the you provided(which was exactly nothing). “Being invisible”, as in not being perceivable by the mind, is evidence enough of a spiritual world. To believe that there could be no such thing would be overly superficial and a complete ignorance of the facts. I said facts. Not fantasy.
I used to read up on the conventions that the reincarnated used to attend.
I was always impressed by all those who claimed to be reincarnated from the old royalty etc. Especially when there was more than one claiming to have been the same older personage.
The problem with believing in an afterlife or God, is that if there is one, then there could be many above him.
Try for apotheosis and you might be as rewarded as I was. There is nothing quite like direct knowledge instead of hear say, that is mostly lies.
Regards DL
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 23, 2019 0:32:41 GMT
My evidence would be my own personal experience, a testimony, a book which has not been disproven in any way, and experiences of life after death(as seen here... ...) which is much more evidence than the you provided(which was exactly nothing). “Being invisible”, as in not being perceivable by the mind, is evidence enough of a spiritual world. To believe that there could be no such thing would be overly superficial and a complete ignorance of the facts. I said facts. Not fantasy.
I used to read up on the conventions that the reincarnated used to attend.
I was always impressed by all those who claimed to be reincarnated from the old royalty etc. Especially when there was more than one claiming to have been the same older personage.
The problem with believing in an afterlife or God, is that if there is one, then there could be many above him.
Try for apotheosis and you might be as rewarded as I was. There is nothing quite like direct knowledge instead of hear say, that is mostly lies.
Regards DL
But you can’t prove my experience, the Bible, or what people who have experienced life after death is/was fantasy. So why call it fantasy?
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 23, 2019 15:34:06 GMT
I call it fantasy because there is not proof or evidence that it is real.
Faith without facts is for fools.
Trust me. I asked God if there was life after death and he said no.
Prove me wrong, like you want me to prove those others wrong.
Regards DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 23, 2019 18:48:54 GMT
You're ignoring the fact that people who are released from jail for their punishment continue doing the same exact stuff. They repeat the process. A cycle of punishment doesn't work. Breaking the cycle works. That means learning to help them learn how to live right. Your all inclusive brush is wrong. If recidivism was 100%, we would find others ways of dealing with our completely ineffective justice system.
Regards DL
I work in the legal system. I know what I'm talking about. Also, some countries would punish rapists and attempted rapists with death. You didn't even think twice about your son in my example. You would be ok with any punishment you said right away so in some places in the world your son died at your hand. Congrats?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 23, 2019 21:20:18 GMT
I call it fantasy because there is not proof or evidence that it is real. Faith without facts is for fools. Trust me. I asked God if there was life after death and he said no. Prove me wrong, like you want me to prove those others wrong. Regards DL I'd rather not waste my time discussing something with someone who says they believe that something isn't real based on nothing. I've never been to China, never seen it. Heard plenty of things about it, read about it in a book, listened to people talk about it who said they've been there, but why should I believe it exists when I never saw it for myself? I've never been to heaven, never seen it. Heard plenty of things about it, read about it in a book, listened to people talk about it who said they've been there, but why should I believe it exists when I never saw it for myself? Everyone has faith or trust in something. Nobody knows everything. Nobody has seen everything. You have faith just as I do, but in other things. You're just as much of a tool as anyone else.
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Post by greatestiam on Mar 29, 2019 14:06:16 GMT
Your all inclusive brush is wrong. If recidivism was 100%, we would find others ways of dealing with our completely ineffective justice system.
Regards DL
I work in the legal system. I know what I'm talking about. Also, some countries would punish rapists and attempted rapists with death. You didn't even think twice about your son in my example. You would be ok with any punishment you said right away so in some places in the world your son died at your hand. Congrats?
What a nice Christian you are. You invent a scenario then accuse me of murder.
Stupid is as stupid writes.
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Mar 29, 2019 14:10:20 GMT
I call it fantasy because there is not proof or evidence that it is real. Faith without facts is for fools. Trust me. I asked God if there was life after death and he said no. Prove me wrong, like you want me to prove those others wrong. Regards DL I'd rather not waste my time discussing something with someone who says they believe that something isn't real based on nothing. I've never been to China, never seen it. Heard plenty of things about it, read about it in a book, listened to people talk about it who said they've been there, but why should I believe it exists when I never saw it for myself? I've never been to heaven, never seen it. Heard plenty of things about it, read about it in a book, listened to people talk about it who said they've been there, but why should I believe it exists when I never saw it for myself? Everyone has faith or trust in something. Nobody knows everything. Nobody has seen everything. You have faith just as I do, but in other things. You're just as much of a tool as anyone else. All true, except my fantasy does not, like your does to you, have me idol worship a genocidal son murdering moral monster like your god.
You call an evil entity good. Good for you.
Regards DL
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