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Post by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2017 3:55:28 GMT
I have many, but one is in my signature.
Another one
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Corinthians 16:22
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 16, 2019 17:52:46 GMT
I have many, but one is in my signature. Another one If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Corinthians 16:22 I especially like Job 2 3 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a whole-hearted and an upright man, one that feareth God, and shunneth evil? and he still holdeth fast his integrity, although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause.'
That quote has God naming himself a sinner who can be moved to sin by Satan.
If we are created in his image, then he is confirming it with his propensity to sin.
As to your quote, which Jesus do you love? I see more than one speaking to us from scriptures. If this one, then why do you like that Jesus when his morals are so poor?
I particularly see immorality in Jesus' no divorce and substitutional punishment policies and add those to what this link speaks to.
I often as Christians to discuss morals, and nothing ends a conversation faster than that. I guess Christians know that their Jesus is not really a moral man or God, especially if they have tied him to Yahweh, an especially vile and satanic demiurge. Regards DL
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 16, 2019 19:16:54 GMT
I have many, but one is in my signature. Another one If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Corinthians 16:22 I especially like Job 2 3 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a whole-hearted and an upright man, one that feareth God, and shunneth evil? and he still holdeth fast his integrity, although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause.'
That quote has God naming himself a sinner who can be moved to sin by Satan.
If we are created in his image, then he is confirming it with his propensity to sin.
As to your quote, which Jesus do you love? I see more than one speaking to us from scriptures. If this one, then why do you like that Jesus when his morals are so poor?
I particularly see immorality in Jesus' no divorce and substitutional punishment policies and add those to what this link speaks to.
I often as Christians to discuss morals, and nothing ends a conversation faster than that. I guess Christians know that their Jesus is not really a moral man or God, especially if they have tied him to Yahweh, an especially vile and satanic demiurge. Regards DL
This probably isn't the place for this conversation, as this thread was made specifically for Bible verses and/or passages only, not opinions about them or about Jesus. So this may get it's own thread... Where in that verse does God name Himself a sinner? Where does it say in that verse that God can be moved by Satan? Where is an example of God sinning in scripture? And why do you think that? What exactly did Jesus teach that was immoral? I watched some of the video, but the person narrating doesn't seem to understand the verses he's cherry picking and attacking. For example, he talks about Matthew 5:39, which says "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." which the narrator says is preposterous. Can you explain why it is preposterous? He says we should defend those who cannot defend themselves and that it is the most moral thing we can do, but why is it "the most moral thing" we can do? Who is setting the standard? How exactly is "an eye for an eye" or "a tooth for a tooth", that is to treat violence with violence, moral? How exactly is turning the other cheek, that is, treating violence with peace, immoral?
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Post by prophettom on Feb 16, 2019 20:12:38 GMT
I have many, but one is in my signature. Another one If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Corinthians 16:22 I especially like Job 2 3 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a whole-hearted and an upright man, one that feareth God, and shunneth evil? and he still holdeth fast his integrity, although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause.'
That quote has God naming himself a sinner who can be moved to sin by Satan.
If we are created in his image, then he is confirming it with his propensity to sin.
As to your quote, which Jesus do you love? I see more than one speaking to us from scriptures. If this one, then why do you like that Jesus when his morals are so poor?
I particularly see immorality in Jesus' no divorce and substitutional punishment policies and add those to what this link speaks to.
I often as Christians to discuss morals, and nothing ends a conversation faster than that. I guess Christians know that their Jesus is not really a moral man or God, especially if they have tied him to Yahweh, an especially vile and satanic demiurge. Regards DL
You are right about this. Very good eye for subtle evil. Did you get a mind full of that law and judgment? Do that it starts at Exodus 20 and just keep going till the law and judgments end. you will fin favor in law for the privileged. the empowering of slavery as holy and the list goes on do not kill than give you a list of reasons you must kill.
When Jesus himself was used as a vessel from one of the fallen to heal the leper announced that he wanted that law given to Moses talked to the priest about over the healing he had done. Empowering a evil law of false peace as holy. That was his fall. Made him the false messiah. Kind acts covering up evil endorsements of tongue. He fell big time
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 16, 2019 20:26:52 GMT
DKTrav88
"Where in that verse does God name Himself a sinner? Where does it say in that verse that God can be moved by Satan?"
Right here. "although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause."
I extrapolate from that that God is admitting to be moved to sin by Satan. What do you read if not that?
Do you see destroying a life and allowing killing just to win a bet moral and not a sin?
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"Where is an example of God sinning in scripture?"
Damn near everywhere.
Have a quick look at the Christian moral monster God.
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"I guess Christians know that their Jesus is not really a moral man or God
Your "And why do you think that?"
I see I will have to learn how to use that multi quote button when I find it.
I think as I do because Christians keep running from moral discussions.
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"That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
First. to Jews, turning the other cheek is to insult the shitter. You can research that if you do not believe it.
Second, if you do not see it as an insult, then you would see it as rewarding evil, and going against the reciprocity rule of doing unto others. Right?
Do you think it good to reward evil?
I prefer to reward good and punish evil. That is how reciprocity rules work. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Do you expect to be rewarded when you do evil to another?
----------- "Who is setting the standard?"
Your bible says you are to do so.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 16, 2019 22:14:03 GMT
When Jesus himself was used as a vessel from one of the fallen to heal the leper announced that he wanted that law given to Moses talked to the priest about over the healing he had done. Empowering a evil law of false peace as holy. That was his fall. Made him the false messiah. Kind acts covering up evil endorsements of tongue. He fell big time
I am still getting used to the quote function here. Apologies.
I see Jesus as being anti-traditions and anti-organized religion.
He said that the Sabbath was created for man and not man for the Sabbath. I extrapolate from that that he would also say that religions and Gods are created for man and not man for them.
That is in keeping with the oral traditions of the Karaite Jews, whom, like we Gnostic Christians, put man above God. That also follows the Jewish tradition of having a Divine Council.
Regards DL
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 17, 2019 7:34:15 GMT
DKTrav88 "Where in that verse does God name Himself a sinner? Where does it say in that verse that God can be moved by Satan?" Right here. "although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause." I extrapolate from that that God is admitting to be moved to sin by Satan. What do you read if not that? Do you see destroying a life and allowing killing just to win a bet moral and not a sin? ======= "Where is an example of God sinning in scripture?" Damn near everywhere. Have a quick look at the Christian moral monster God. ----------- My. "I guess Christians know that their Jesus is not really a moral man or God Your "And why do you think that?" I see I will have to learn how to use that multi quote button when I find it. I think as I do because Christians keep running from moral discussions. -------- "That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." First. to Jews, turning the other cheek is to insult the shitter. You can research that if you do not believe it. Second, if you do not see it as an insult, then you would see it as rewarding evil, and going against the reciprocity rule of doing unto others. Right? Do you think it good to reward evil? I prefer to reward good and punish evil. That is how reciprocity rules work. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Do you expect to be rewarded when you do evil to another? ----------- "Who is setting the standard?" Your bible says you are to do so. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. Regards DL Hmm, seems you changed what the verse said. That’s quite dishonest of you. Well, I’m not here to talk to videos... if I wanted to do that I would be on YouTube. So how about show me, without changing verses, where God sins. First, I don’t care what the Jews consider an insult. Half the things they believe are screwy as it is. Second, you don’t get to make ultimatums for what I believe. If I don’t see turning the cheek as an insult it isn’t because it isn’t and not because it suddenly becomes a reward for evil. A reward for evil would be to respond with violence, but it seems that point means nothing to you as you completely ignored it and only continued pushing your point as if you were deaf So, if you are not going to have discussion with others in a way that addresses the points they make then it is not a discussion at all. Preaching is done at a pulpit at a church. This is a discussion forum, not a church.
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Post by prophettom on Feb 17, 2019 15:55:25 GMT
DKTrav88 "Where in that verse does God name Himself a sinner? Where does it say in that verse that God can be moved by Satan?" Right here. "although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause." I extrapolate from that that God is admitting to be moved to sin by Satan. What do you read if not that? Do you see destroying a life and allowing killing just to win a bet moral and not a sin? ======= "Where is an example of God sinning in scripture?" Damn near everywhere. Have a quick look at the Christian moral monster God. ----------- My. "I guess Christians know that their Jesus is not really a moral man or God Your "And why do you think that?" I see I will have to learn how to use that multi quote button when I find it. I think as I do because Christians keep running from moral discussions. -------- "That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." First. to Jews, turning the other cheek is to insult the shitter. You can research that if you do not believe it. Second, if you do not see it as an insult, then you would see it as rewarding evil, and going against the reciprocity rule of doing unto others. Right? Do you think it good to reward evil? I prefer to reward good and punish evil. That is how reciprocity rules work. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Do you expect to be rewarded when you do evil to another? ----------- "Who is setting the standard?" Your bible says you are to do so. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. Regards DL Hmm, seems you changed what the verse said. That’s quite dishonest of you. Well, I’m not here to talk to videos... if I wanted to do that I would be on YouTube. So how about show me, without changing verses, where God sins. First, I don’t care what the Jews consider an insult. Half the things they believe are screwy as it is. Second, you don’t get to make ultimatums for what I believe. If I don’t see turning the cheek as an insult it isn’t because it isn’t and not because it suddenly becomes a reward for evil. A reward for evil would be to respond with violence, but it seems that point means nothing to you as you completely ignored it and only continued pushing your point as if you were deaf So, if you are not going to have discussion with others in a way that addresses the points they make then it is not a discussion at all. Preaching is done at a pulpit at a church. This is a discussion forum, not a church. I can! How about the fact that God has Fallen Angels on this earth and allows them to guide men to evil and use their powers to keep you under evil rules and a evil planet. That's one sin that is still provable to this day!
The answer to why is the question you should be asking now. It is simple you are a pawn. You in the end take away from this the lesson of what it is to be under evil rule. So you will never want to pursue evil again. The fallen angels are just being allowed to do pretty much anything they want to us. They have proven unable to burn out on being evil. So this whole thing is about to go to the next stage of punishment for them. Remember they were cast out of heaven to a stone age on this earth. They were with God. I doubt God was in a stone age in heaven.
So yeah that's a sin to be able to put a stop to evil. But empower it anyway because you can make a lesson from it all. The same lesson would come from you cant get away with that from the beginning. And far fewer people would suffer. The way it is now all people suffer to them. But make no mistake these fallen have created near 100 worlds worth of souls that hate them scattered around the universe the rough math says.
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 17, 2019 20:45:49 GMT
DKTrav88 "Where in that verse does God name Himself a sinner? Where does it say in that verse that God can be moved by Satan?" Right here. "although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause." I extrapolate from that that God is admitting to be moved to sin by Satan. What do you read if not that? Do you see destroying a life and allowing killing just to win a bet moral and not a sin? ======= "Where is an example of God sinning in scripture?" Damn near everywhere. Have a quick look at the Christian moral monster God. ----------- My. "I guess Christians know that their Jesus is not really a moral man or God Your "And why do you think that?" I see I will have to learn how to use that multi quote button when I find it. I think as I do because Christians keep running from moral discussions. -------- "That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." First. to Jews, turning the other cheek is to insult the shitter. You can research that if you do not believe it. Second, if you do not see it as an insult, then you would see it as rewarding evil, and going against the reciprocity rule of doing unto others. Right? Do you think it good to reward evil? I prefer to reward good and punish evil. That is how reciprocity rules work. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Do you expect to be rewarded when you do evil to another? ----------- "Who is setting the standard?" Your bible says you are to do so. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. Regards DL Hmm, seems you changed what the verse said. That’s quite dishonest of you. Well, I’m not here to talk to videos... if I wanted to do that I would be on YouTube. So how about show me, without changing verses, where God sins. First, I don’t care what the Jews consider an insult. Half the things they believe are screwy as it is. Second, you don’t get to make ultimatums for what I believe. If I don’t see turning the cheek as an insult it isn’t because it isn’t and not because it suddenly becomes a reward for evil. A reward for evil would be to respond with violence, but it seems that point means nothing to you as you completely ignored it and only continued pushing your point as if you were deaf So, if you are not going to have discussion with others in a way that addresses the points they make then it is not a discussion at all. Preaching is done at a pulpit at a church. This is a discussion forum, not a church.
Such a boring read due to the fact of your poor reading comprehension.
Show where I altered the quote or be seen as a liar.
As to the Jews. they were well on their way to a decent ideology before Christianity corrupted their way with their hate and inquisitions.
Regards DL
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 17, 2019 21:18:45 GMT
Hmm, seems you changed what the verse said. That’s quite dishonest of you. Well, I’m not here to talk to videos... if I wanted to do that I would be on YouTube. So how about show me, without changing verses, where God sins. First, I don’t care what the Jews consider an insult. Half the things they believe are screwy as it is. Second, you don’t get to make ultimatums for what I believe. If I don’t see turning the cheek as an insult it isn’t because it isn’t and not because it suddenly becomes a reward for evil. A reward for evil would be to respond with violence, but it seems that point means nothing to you as you completely ignored it and only continued pushing your point as if you were deaf So, if you are not going to have discussion with others in a way that addresses the points they make then it is not a discussion at all. Preaching is done at a pulpit at a church. This is a discussion forum, not a church.
Such a boring read due to the fact of your poor reading comprehension.
Show where I altered the quote or be seen as a liar.
As to the Jews. they were well on their way to a decent ideology before Christianity corrupted their way with their hate and inquisitions.
Regards DL Or perhaps it is you who is the poor reading comprehension as you think God being moved by Satan is a sin... exactly what sin did God commit in that verse? Or anywhere else? All you do is say “look at this video” because you can’t explain these things yourself. So you can’t read and you can’t write? But why the ad hominems to begin with? Seems like a complete waste of time if all we do is attack each other because we just flat out disagree and don’t understand how each other think and why we think the way we think or believe the things we believe. Did you expect to get Christians to believe what you believe here? I can tell you that you will be hard pressed to do so on this forum. It would be a complete waste of time on your part. Moving on, you changed what the verse said as it says. “although thou movedst c me against him, to destroy him without cause.” But you said it says “although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause.” But regardless of this change, where is the sin God committed? Can you point it out? Ah so you’re generalizing with Christianity I see. Where does Christ promote hate and inquisitions? So, if a group of atheists decide it’s okay to commit genocide and teach murder is a great thing to do I should believe all atheists believe and teach the same thing?
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 17, 2019 21:55:19 GMT
DKTrav88
Lets start at the beginning, with this ex preacher.
Tell me buddy, if a don sends his hit man to kill, is the don also culpable?
If God sends Satan as his hit man to kill, is God also culpable?
Regards DL
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 17, 2019 23:50:41 GMT
DKTrav88
Lets start at the beginning, with this ex preacher.
Tell me buddy, if a don sends his hit man to kill, is the don also culpable?
If God sends Satan as his hit man to kill, is God also culpable?
Regards DL Job didn't die by Satan's hand. God didn't send Satan to kill Job, God sent Satan to prove to Satan and everyone else who has read the Bible, except people who think like you, to prove that Job's faith was unbreakable. Satan told God that if God let him go wreak havoc on Job's life that Job would curse God, but Job never did. It was a test of Job's faith. It was a big slap in the face to Satan. Look, Job 2:6 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. God didn't send Satan to kill Job, God told him not to.
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Post by prophettom on Feb 18, 2019 7:32:57 GMT
DKTrav88
Lets start at the beginning, with this ex preacher.
Tell me buddy, if a don sends his hit man to kill, is the don also culpable?
If God sends Satan as his hit man to kill, is God also culpable?
Regards DL Job didn't die by Satan's hand. God didn't send Satan to kill Job, God sent Satan to prove to Satan and everyone else who has read the Bible, except people who think like you, to prove that Job's faith was unbreakable. Satan told God that if God let him go wreak havoc on Job's life that Job would curse God, but Job never did. It was a test of Job's faith. It was a big slap in the face to Satan. Look, Job 2:6 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. God didn't send Satan to kill Job, God told him not to. Was it a big Slap in the face to Satan? That's the thing he is right it is your reading comprehension. What is also being said here is this. We have a man being tested By Satan. Satan gets to take everything away. Make him sick and diseased. All that treachery. The whole Time all Job did was Praise him for it! Thanked him for the abuse because of the lessons it is to him. Job was a suck up. EVEN WORSHIPED HELL FIRST OVER HEAVEN BY THANKING THEM FOR THE HELL THEY PUT HIM THROUGH! YOU THINK THAT WAS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO SATAN? WOW! It is your interpretation that has always been the slap in the face to man by both sides. as they have there little war with each other. Useing you to absorb the damage on both sides. Think about how belittling that is for all out kind. Stop telling people that crap is holy because it is not. Never has been.
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 18, 2019 20:24:42 GMT
DKTrav88
Lets start at the beginning, with this ex preacher.
Tell me buddy, if a don sends his hit man to kill, is the don also culpable?
If God sends Satan as his hit man to kill, is God also culpable?
Regards DL Job didn't die by Satan's hand. God didn't send Satan to kill Job, God sent Satan to prove to Satan and everyone else who has read the Bible, except people who think like you, to prove that Job's faith was unbreakable. Satan told God that if God let him go wreak havoc on Job's life that Job would curse God, but Job never did. It was a test of Job's faith. It was a big slap in the face to Satan. Look, Job 2:6 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. God didn't send Satan to kill Job, God told him not to. I did not say he killed Job, but he did kill some of his family and friends. You have not even read your bible.
Please don't come back and tell me that God replaced Job's son and that that made the initial murder ok. Only those with the lowest possible moral sense will see moral equivalency in that. I see that you would have raised your hand at the wrong time if you would have been in that links audience.
No wonder you ignored my question.
Let me help you with your thinking, if that is even possible.
You wont listen to me but might listen to what these moral thinkers think like.
Regards DL
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 19, 2019 1:13:12 GMT
Job didn't die by Satan's hand. God didn't send Satan to kill Job, God sent Satan to prove to Satan and everyone else who has read the Bible, except people who think like you, to prove that Job's faith was unbreakable. Satan told God that if God let him go wreak havoc on Job's life that Job would curse God, but Job never did. It was a test of Job's faith. It was a big slap in the face to Satan. Look, Job 2:6 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. God didn't send Satan to kill Job, God told him not to. I did not say he killed Job, but he did kill some of his family and friends. You have not even read your bible.
Please don't come back and tell me that God replaced Job's son and that that made the initial murder ok. Only those with the lowest possible moral sense will see moral equivalency in that. I see that you would have raised your hand at the wrong time if you would have been in that links audience.
No wonder you ignored my question.
Let me help you with your thinking, if that is even possible.
You wont listen to me but might listen to what these moral thinkers think like.
Regards DL
I'm really not understanding your point. You said God is a sinner, and you are saying that He is a sinner because He allowed Satan to kill people? How does that make God a sinner?
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Post by ckyap on Feb 19, 2019 4:17:40 GMT
I love Ephesians 2:4... as it wraps up the gospel in summary I have it in Indonesian
4 Tetapi betapa besarnya kemurahan hati Allah! Ia begitu mengasihi kita, 5 sehingga pada waktu kita masih mati secara rohani karena pelanggaran-pelang kita, Ia menghidupkan kita kembali bersama-sama dengan Kristus. Jadi, hanyalah karena kebaikan hati Allah, kalian diselamatkan oleh-Nya. 6 Karena kita bersatu dengan Kristus Yesus, Allah menghidupkan kita kembali bersama-sama Dia, supaya kita memerintah juga bersama-sama Dia di dalam surga. 7 Allah melakukan itu supaya pada zaman yang akan datang, manusia dapat melihat betapa besarnya kasih Allah. Kasih itu dinyatakan Allah melalui kebaikan hati-Nya kepada kita dengan perantaraan Kristus Yesus. 8 Allah mengasihi kalian, itu sebabnya Ia menyelamatkan kalian karena kalian percaya kepada Yesus. Keselamatan kalian itu bukanlah hasil usahamu sendiri. Itu adalah anugerah Allah. Jadi, tidak ada seorang pun yang dapat menyombongkan dirinya mengenai hal itu. 10 Kita adalah ciptaan Allah, dan melalui Kristus Yesus, Allah membentuk kita supaya kita melakukan hal-hal yang baik yang sudah dipersiapkan-Nya untuk kita.
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