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Post by rpeters on Nov 20, 2018 5:13:54 GMT
A view from the trenches
I just got a hit of Moses in a meme and it brought up a funny situation I thought I would share.
When I was in the army I had this priest stand before us. I was raised in the big 'c', and though I had fire and brimstone priests, most had been "Jesus the hippy" leaning.
I'd spat out the 'body and blood' long before this, so I was simply happy not to be doing pushups.
This guy, a 'man of god', told us very matter-of-factly that 'yes 'big 10, number 5' say no killing, but that doing so in 'god's' name is not just acceptable, but just and will be lauded'. That we were doing 'gods work' with bombs and bayonets.
Further he stated that the way to make it in 'god's' name was post extermination/wholesale slaughter, you just gotta bend the priests ear, spew a couple prayers, and all is right as rain.
'Washed away'.
To kill the next question he informed us he or someone like him will be giving last rights right there in the trenches. So 'kill, not just with impunity, but the 'holy blessing', get killed we got your back, salvation is assured'.
The song we ended the 'good word' with was 'god is love'. Then back to the PT.
A different guy with a collar blessed our M-16s later.
"The love of god will protect you with this instrument of his power" then a splash of 'holy H2O' and all was right in the World.
God is love. Thoughts?
Good luck out there
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 20, 2018 6:39:58 GMT
They have priests in the army? I had no idea  |
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Post by PISTON1246 on Nov 20, 2018 21:09:37 GMT
I don't think God of Abraham loves gay men.
In Los Angeles you might find some people with the "rainbow".
In the book of Genesis, God said the rainbow is a sign of His covenant. God instructed to kill men who have sex with men in the book of Leviticus.
I like the God of the Old Testament because I think He is the most righteous God I heard of or read about.
I don't think that God tells us to punish people for sins that were committed by others.
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Post by rpeters on Nov 21, 2018 4:34:42 GMT
Hello Piston1246,
"I don't think that God tells us to punish people for sins that were committed by others"
What about the Adam and Eve story, aren't women forever feeling the pain brought by Eve's transgression of eating a forbidden fruit. Remember she had no idea of good, evil, good or bad and all women are unclean due to her doing an "evil act" she had no knowledge of. Sounds like entrapment.
The other part is "god's words" state what to do to people who follow other gods. "He" states clearly they should be punished for the sin of "follow no other gods".
Thanks,
Good luck out there
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Post by rpeters on Nov 21, 2018 4:39:10 GMT
Hello Elizabeth, "They have priests in the army? I had no idea " I agree it sounds counterintuitive but when 90% of the population believing you gotta check all boxes. All denominations and many gods are "on the job". Strangely a country that states "separation of church and state" pays priests, rabbis, and the leaders of the followers of many others. I am from a military family so it wasn't a surprise, just humorous. Good luck out there |
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 21, 2018 6:46:52 GMT
Hello Elizabeth, "They have priests in the army? I had no idea " I agree it sounds counterintuitive but when 90% of the population believing you gotta check all boxes. All denominations and many gods are "on the job". Strangely a country that states "separation of church and state" pays priests, rabbis, and the leaders of the followers of many others. I am from a military family so it wasn't a surprise, just humorous. Good luck out there That really is odd. And they all support killing? There are some religious figures who are against wars and stuff. |
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Post by rpeters on Nov 22, 2018 9:26:31 GMT
Hello Elizabeth,
'That really is odd. And they all support killing? There are some religious figures who are against wars and stuff.'
Yes, they all push killing, not just support. You can only push or not. To say it's 'god's work', whichever god, doesn't come with any morality or ethics, only do.
When I was a kid we moved around and I was taught by different 'holy men' and each taught a different concept of the bible. In San Diego they were hippy types, love thy neighbor, what that society demanded. In the military it is easy to see they'd push the fire and brimstone concepts. This isn't just the old half of the books but the new.
'I am not a feather, I am a sword..." The introduction of Jesus.
This is how the bible, whichever version, the Koran, any collection of stories without continuous moral stance stated as 'the way' can be twisted into any concepts you wish to push.
The teachers are Human, the morality, ethics and any and all phobias or perceived societal concerns will be taught as 'the way'.
Sorry getting long and I am not trying to say x, y or even z is wrong, only to remember we all are Human. Not chosen, not "the one", only Humans trying to get along.
Good to hear from you again Elizabeth.
Good luck out there
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Post by mainrain on Nov 22, 2018 9:49:43 GMT
Thank you for sharing. It is not appalling that the country recruits priests for militant purposes. Religious thought is often the ultimate stamp of legitimacy of violence. This is true not just of non-state terrorists but state-based terrorism also.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 23, 2018 2:49:07 GMT
Hello Elizabeth, 'That really is odd. And they all support killing? There are some religious figures who are against wars and stuff.' Yes, they all push killing, not just support. You can only push or not. To say it's 'god's work', whichever god, doesn't come with any morality or ethics, only do. When I was a kid we moved around and I was taught by different 'holy men' and each taught a different concept of the bible. In San Diego they were hippy types, love thy neighbor, what that society demanded. In the military it is easy to see they'd push the fire and brimstone concepts. This isn't just the old half of the books but the new. 'I am not a feather, I am a sword..." The introduction of Jesus. This is how the bible, whichever version, the Koran, any collection of stories without continuous moral stance stated as 'the way' can be twisted into any concepts you wish to push. The teachers are Human, the morality, ethics and any and all phobias or perceived societal concerns will be taught as 'the way'. Sorry getting long and I am not trying to say x, y or even z is wrong, only to remember we all are Human. Not chosen, not "the one", only Humans trying to get along. Good to hear from you again Elizabeth. Good luck out there So these priests like to preach death rather than their religion to convert people? It just confuses me a bit. Seems they would rather kill off people than take followers. Shrug |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 23, 2018 12:21:03 GMT
I don't think that God tells us to punish people for sins that were committed by others. I beg you pardon, may I ask you what do you mean under this question? I think I didn't understand it properly? |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 23, 2018 12:23:44 GMT
They have priests in the army? I had no idea There are some priests in armies. For brainwashing I presume. 'God' and 'war'? What is going on... |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 23, 2018 12:26:42 GMT
A priest is no a God, nor a god. By saying it he meant some orders, some commands. So, this priest was just a masked officer whereas the soldiers had to listen to his words as the God's commands. It's not right at all.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 23, 2018 18:44:33 GMT
They have priests in the army? I had no idea There are some priests in armies. For brainwashing I presume. 'God' and 'war'? What is going on... A priest is no a God, nor a god. By saying it he meant some orders, some commands. So, this priest was just a masked officer whereas the soldiers had to listen to his words as the God's commands. It's not right at all. This is the same thought I had! |
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Post by PISTON1246 on Nov 27, 2018 20:09:08 GMT
Hello Piston1246, "I don't think that God tells us to punish people for sins that were committed by others" What about the Adam and Eve story, aren't women forever feeling the pain brought by Eve's transgression of eating a forbidden fruit. Remember she had no idea of good, evil, good or bad and all women are unclean due to her doing an "evil act" she had no knowledge of. Sounds like entrapment. The other part is "god's words" state what to do to people who follow other gods. "He" states clearly they should be punished for the sin of "follow no other gods". Thanks, Good luck out there If you read the chapters with eve in there in Genesis, you do find it quoting her saying she knew that God forbid both Adam and her from eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. She was not innocent. Women carry the blood debt of their ancestor. The punishment came from God in this case and not humans. We have no authority for punishing a child for the sins of their parents and vice versa, for example. Especially in the nation of Israel, people who mention the name of a foreign god are to be killed. It says that if your friend tells you to worhip another god, then you are to kill them. I believe the nation of Israel has currently taken up the worship or allowed the worship of other gods. I think they will be punished eventually if this continues. |
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Post by PISTON1246 on Nov 27, 2018 20:13:15 GMT
I don't think that God tells us to punish people for sins that were committed by others. I beg you pardon, may I ask you what do you mean under this question? I think I didn't understand it properly? Read my last post. |
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